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Anyone got one of these?

My battery is toast and I've gone and bought one of these on eBay for 66€.

My question is whether they come charged and ready to rock or do I have to charge it first?

Does the charging system on the bike need to be changed in any way?

Will my Optimate 4 charger work as it does not support Lithium but the Shido seems to suggest that any charger will work provided it does not send more than 14.9v to the battery.

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Old 5th January 2018, 05:45 PM
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Old 5th January 2018, 06:03 PM
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I don't know why people bother with lithium batteries. They're shite in cold weather... and dangerous.
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Old 5th January 2018, 06:13 PM
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I don't know why people bother with lithium batteries. They're shite in cold weather... and dangerous.
FOOK! Really. I thought the opposite and was hoping for better winter performance.

Guess I should have asked here first before buying. At least I didnt pay the full 120 retail price that most places want for them.
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Old 5th January 2018, 06:39 PM
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They need to be ‘woken’ up by putting a load of them, like a headlight esp on full beams.one they are ‘awake’ they have some serious kick from them, starts a cold v twin like it’s a moped!
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They need to be ‘woken’ up by putting a load of them, like a headlight esp on full beams.one they are ‘awake’ they have some serious kick from them, starts a cold v twin like it’s a moped!
Yeah, thats what I had read and decided to go lithium based on the CCA numbers being 20% higher. Bike is in daily use throughout winter so cant see the cells going into any sleep
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Old 5th January 2018, 07:13 PM
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Yeah, thats what I had read and decided to go lithium based on the CCA numbers being 20% higher. Bike is in daily use throughout winter so cant see the cells going into any sleep
You can’t go wrong and also they have a really low discharge rate, I used to leave the bike there for 3-4 months and would come back and start no problem.
Wait till u feel the weight difference; I thought the box was empty at first
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Old 5th January 2018, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CodeJACK
Anyone got one of these?

My battery is toast and I've gone and bought one of these on eBay for 66€.

My question is whether they come charged and ready to rock or do I have to charge it first?

Does the charging system on the bike need to be changed in any way?

Will my Optimate 4 charger work as it does not support Lithium but the Shido seems to suggest that any charger will work provided it does not send more than 14.9v to the battery.

Cheers.
My KTM came with a lithium battery. Plugged the optimate4 in before I checked the battery out properly. Didn't even think to look at it. Left it overnight and it was fine. I got lucky, but if the optimate had gone into 'rescue mode' or whatever it's called and sent a load of volts, I'm guessing there could have been a fire.

Now I've to decide whether to get another battery charger or another, regular battery. Don't see the point in lithium either, really, if I'm honest. It's very light, but on a road bike, why would that matter.

Also, I've just realised my battery has been in the bike in -20 degrees or colder for a week over Christmas. Had it taken out and in the house but a n unseasonable warm spell in early Dec. made me ride it, but forgot to take it out again when wheeling it back into the shed in the snow. Are lithium batteries killed by cold weather, too? Or should it come back with a good charge, on a proper lithium-ion charger? Haven't checked the voltage or anything yet, hoping to give the bike a once-over at the weekend.
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They need a special charger
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Old 5th January 2018, 08:09 PM
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They need to be ‘woken’ up by putting a load of them, like a headlight esp on full beams.one they are ‘awake’ they have some serious kick from them, starts a cold v twin like it’s a moped!
Marketing bullshit, and people seem to fall for it. It's not waking it up, the current draw is heating it up, which is how it manages to work, because they're dogshit when they're cold.
To get it warm enough to work properly (without sitting there with your headlight on), you have to use the starter. Try that on an Aprilia with a battery that isn't able to turn it over properly.

The weight saving is about the same as having a shite before you get on the bike. It's not like you're getting an extra 20bhp.

I use Lithium batteries every day, but if I had any other option I'd bin them. Fortunately bikes do have another option.
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Old 5th January 2018, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gixxer
Marketing bullshit, and people seem to fall for it. It's not waking it up, the current draw is heating it up, which is how it manages to work, because they're dogshit when they're cold.
To get it warm enough to work properly (without sitting there with your headlight on), you have to use the starter. Try that on an Aprilia with a battery that isn't able to turn it over properly.

The weight saving is about the same as having a shite before you get on the bike. It's not like you're getting an extra 20bhp.

I use Lithium batteries every day, but if I had any other option I'd bin them. Fortunately bikes do have another option.

'Waking up/heating up', potato/potato, Ive had them for 3 years on two bikes. Just throw on your ignition, lights on while you put on your gloves, helmet whatever and when you go to start, its starts and with loads of power.
This is on an RC8 and SMT and never a bother.
They work with no hassle, and this is from experience.
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Have JMT in the R1 and Beemer,bought on ebay UK for 60 euro and brought back on the plane from the UK.

Grand battery,and over 2 kilos lighter than OEM.

No problems with cold starting so far, in this weather.

I also bought 2 battery tender multi chargers,it charges all types of battery safely.
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Old 5th January 2018, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Gixxer
Marketing bullshit, and people seem to fall for it. It's not waking it up, the current draw is heating it up, which is how it manages to work, because they're dogshit when they're cold.
To get it warm enough to work properly (without sitting there with your headlight on), you have to use the starter. Try that on an Aprilia with a battery that isn't able to turn it over properly.

The weight saving is about the same as having a shite before you get on the bike. It's not like you're getting an extra 20bhp.

I use Lithium batteries every day, but if I had any other option I'd bin them. Fortunately bikes do have another option.
You're taking shite. They have a safety circuit that puts them in 'sleep mode' when they dip below a certain voltage for a long period. So you do need to wake them. I have lots of experience using them on motorbikes and while they are not 100% reliable they are just as reliable as a lead acid battery. They're considerably lighter,and they're well able to crank an aprilia,or a big bang R1,or husaberg 650 single for example...in freezing conditions just as well as summer. There's good and bad brands just the same as there's Yuasa and Easystart. Shido are pretty good as they go
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Old 6th January 2018, 05:37 PM
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You're taking shite. They have a safety circuit that puts them in 'sleep mode' when they dip below a certain voltage for a long period. So you do need to wake them.
That's two totally different things you're talking about, and they've got fuck all to do with each other.
The safety cutout for undervoltage has got fuck all to do with shite performance when cold. It would take months for the battery to self-drain enough for the undervoltage protection to kick in.
Google mechanics...
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Originally Posted by Gixxer
That's two totally different things you're talking about, and they've got fuck all to do with each other.
The safety cutout for undervoltage has got fuck all to do with shite performance when cold. It would take months for the battery to self-drain enough for the undervoltage protection to kick in.
Google mechanics...
You're the know it all right...you're trying to make yourself look right even when you are wrong. Google mechanic me bollix mate,I'm in a workshop 55 hours a week,about the same amount of time you spend being a dick on a keyboard
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Old 6th January 2018, 06:17 PM
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You're the know it all right...you're trying to make yourself look right even when you are wrong. Google mechanic me bollix mate,I'm in a workshop 55 hours a week,about the same amount of time you spend being a dick on a keyboard
Glad it's not my bike you're working on then
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Glad it's not my bike you're working on then
Yeah good man gixxer,your proving my point
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Old 6th January 2018, 06:21 PM
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Yeah good man gixxer,your proving my point
He's got serious anger issues so take no notice
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He's got serious anger issues so take no notice
I've got serious calling a spade a spade issues, and when someone says I'm talking shite because he read something on Google and misunderstood it, I'm gonna call a spade a spade.
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