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Old 3rd November 2017, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bikefreighter
A lad who works for me viewed this thread and said I was coming across as a right prick btw. He asked me if I had lost the plot. Pretty much straight out. I didn't have a reply. I'm better at organising stuff. I'm not "Mr Front Office". I'm Mr back Office. I apologise if I offended anyone. I'm new to this "marketing stuff" malarkey. I'm better off making stuff. I'm going to try and get someone else to do the marketing from now on. I'll stick to making stuff. The lad did have a point. "Are you trying to ruin a good idea?" as he said. My bad.
It's nice to see an apology - good on you for manning up. I was interested in this service until you went off on one but you've brought me back with the apology.

Lads on this site are typically not that flush with money - we've mortgages and kids and wives. Unfortunately for most on this site price is one of the biggest factors. Your service looks fantastic - excellent crates, id be very confident that my pride and joy would come out exactly as it went in.

Another consideration - You're probably more interested in organising the trips and hotels etc - great markup here BUT most lads would rather organise it themselves. For me most of the fun (and heartache) is in the organising. You'll have a huge market for Mericans and ze Germans who want the full service but I doubt that you'll have much demand for the "Full Package" from Irish residents.

Really wish you luck in the future and I'll deffo be using the service if the price is competitive . It doesn't have to be cheaper just within the same bracket of other services.
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Old 3rd November 2017, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Any good Canadian sites for bikes? What condition are they normally in?
Our version of donedeal is called "kijiji.ca"

I think bikes here are typically in good condition. Because we have such definitive seasons, 90% of bikes get put away in the winter. i.e. only ridden 6 months of the year.

One thing to clarify, is that the price is only that low in the summer and only for people with a ticket. However, it is still really low for people without a ticket. about 900-1000 euro each way. Which, IMO is cheap to fly a bike across the ocean.

All in all, it will probably cost you 1500 euro to get it over + customs. So you;d have to really want to bike.

One thing i see as a difference between the two markets, are singly cylinder 4 stroke onroad/offroad bikes sells for quite a bit more in ireland, as to "vintage" japenese bikes. Like, a 1976 CB750 in bad condition, but rideable is like 400E herem but 2000E there. a Mint CB750 is going to be like 3000-6000E here.
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Old 7th November 2017, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by manbearpig
It's nice to see an apology - good on you for manning up. I was interested in this service until you went off on one but you've brought me back with the apology.

Lads on this site are typically not that flush with money - we've mortgages and kids and wives. Unfortunately for most on this site price is one of the biggest factors. Your service looks fantastic - excellent crates, id be very confident that my pride and joy would come out exactly as it went in.

Another consideration - You're probably more interested in organising the trips and hotels etc - great markup here BUT most lads would rather organise it themselves. For me most of the fun (and heartache) is in the organising. You'll have a huge market for Mericans and ze Germans who want the full service but I doubt that you'll have much demand for the "Full Package" from Irish residents.

Really wish you luck in the future and I'll deffo be using the service if the price is competitive . It doesn't have to be cheaper just within the same bracket of other services.
Thanks for that Manbear. The idea is to make shipping a bike easy. The whole "making money" part is well down the list. That will either come eventually or never. I've had a stream of bikers in to view the pod - everyone had their own view on what needed to be changed, some bikes didn't fit so we changed it up, most loved the concept and liked the way the bikes fitted in so securely. Some bikes are bloody big...who knew? Some are very tall.,.. make it taller.... but we will get there eventually. So far, Overlanders are killing us on price to Europe, but not to further afield. They are more flexible too - the protective pod aspect is killing us on that front. But this is kinda niche.. and niches will persist.
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Old 7th November 2017, 12:56 AM
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But this is kinda niche.. and niches will persist.
You'd think so wouldn't you, but try telling that to my mate, who invested everything in a black amputee toilet-hardware handjob porn website.

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Old 7th November 2017, 01:08 AM
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You'd think so wouldn't you, but try telling that to my mate, who invested everything in a black amputee toilet-hardware handjob porn website.

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why am I not not surprised that YOU have mates like that
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Old 7th November 2017, 01:15 AM
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why am I not not surprised that YOU have mates like that
Well, I wouldn't call him a mate. He's more of an alibi
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Old 13th November 2017, 08:46 PM
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Old 13th November 2017, 08:56 PM
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The outbound prices look good for someone who wants to ferry to Europe but hasn't got the time available to get all the way back to the ferry........drop the bike at one of the destinations, load bike up......taxi to airport....fly home......simples!!


Any prices for the States??
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Old 13th November 2017, 09:01 PM
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When do you expect to be up and running?

Those outbound prices look decent and the range of destinations makes this very interesting...

Taking Toulouse as an example, how would I locate the bike when I get there?
Would I need to find the freight forwarder's warehouse?

For the outbound leg the bike gets dropped to you to be put in the pod but who would do it for the return leg?
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Old 13th November 2017, 09:04 PM
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Are the Outbound prices "from the destination"
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Old 13th November 2017, 09:36 PM
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I would imagine outbound means 'from Ireland'.
The outbound prices are good, but the rest are quite expensive.

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Old 14th November 2017, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by corrcullen
I would imagine outbound means 'from Ireland'.
The outbound prices are good, but the rest are quite expensive.
I know, but shipping into Ireland is crazy dear for some reason. No idea why the variation, presume it's some sort of international "Paddy-Tax" scheme. Mystifies me tbh, but it's a thing.
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Old 14th November 2017, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce
When do you expect to be up and running?

Those outbound prices look decent and the range of destinations makes this very interesting...

Taking Toulouse as an example, how would I locate the bike when I get there?
Would I need to find the freight forwarder's warehouse?

For the outbound leg the bike gets dropped to you to be put in the pod but who would do it for the return leg?
You'd need to go to our local agents premises, located near the airport, and collect/drop off your machine. Short Taxi ride. In Ireland, we pick you up/drop you off.. Eventually, we will organise that at all locations, but it's like pulling teeth getting people to agree terms abroad.. and we're a while off being operational in the proper sense. Those prices will fall(some dramatically) as we get overseas agents sorted. Most are now at the "give them crazy Irish a high price and hope they accept/pfo" stage...

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Old 14th November 2017, 10:13 PM
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I'll post up USA/ROW prices as soon as I have firm figures.
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Old 14th November 2017, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cracker boy
The outbound prices look good for someone who wants to ferry to Europe but hasn't got the time available to get all the way back to the ferry........drop the bike at one of the destinations, load bike up......taxi to airport....fly home......simples!!


Any prices for the States??
Exactly. And I'll post em soon as I get em. Still arguing.. the States is Huuuge... and they're not afraid to go in expensive till they see what's what...
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Old 14th November 2017, 10:19 PM
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Madrids a shocker.. they want €230 more to ship to Ireland than it costs to ship to Madrid.. and people said Spain was a cheaper place to do business...not..it also has to be said, these prices are all going to drop..and drop...and drop.. Most Freighters are adding a "Ya wha?" premium to their quotes.. as it becomes routine, their prices will fall dramatically, and so will ours. Longer term, I'd see rates at 50/60% of current. It's just how it goes. There's a premium charged on stuff people don't understand..they'll get it eventually. It isn't rocket science.

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Old 14th November 2017, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bikefreighter
Madrids a shocker.. they want 230 more to ship to Ireland than it costs to ship to Madrid.. and people said Spain was a cheaper place to do business...not..it also has to be said, these prices are all going to drop..and drop...and drop.. Most Freighters are adding a "Ya wha?" premium to their quotes.. as it becomes routine, their prices will fall dramatically, and so will ours. Longer term, I'd see rates at 50/60% of current. It's just how it goes. There's a premium charged on stuff people don't understand..they'll get it eventually. It isn't rocket science.
Fair dues to you for setting up this type of business. As you say, if prices drop, then it may be an option for a lot of bikers who like to travel the continent
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Old 14th November 2017, 10:32 PM
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It's pretty much a fact that as soon as you mention "To Ireland"...every shipper adds €200 to what the price should be. This appears to be almost universal.. There might be value in shipping to a UK hub(no "paddy premium") and then to Ireland. That remains to be seen. I can ship to Madrid for less than €450. But to come back adds.. wait for it... yup, €200 to the price, for no logical or explicable reason. Same route, same ferries, same fuel burn, labours actually cheaper..but nope, €200 extra... Hmmm.

Shipping to anywhere ex-UK is also hugely, dramatically cheaper, to everywhere. That last ferry across the pond to Dublin is spendy.. The chunnels a cheaper job...even if you're headed to the USA, ironically...

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Old 14th November 2017, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bikefreighter
It's pretty much a fact that as soon as you mention "To Ireland"...every shipper adds 200 to what the price should be. This appears to be almost universal.. There might be value in shipping to a UK hub(no "paddy premium") and then to Ireland. That remains to be seen. I can ship to Madrid for less than 450. But to come back adds.. wait for it... yup, 200 to the price, for no logical or explicable reason. Same route, same ferries, same fuel burn, labours actually cheaper..but nope, 200 extra... Hmmm.

Shipping to anywhere ex-UK is also hugely, dramatically cheaper, to everywhere. That last ferry across the pond to Dublin is spendy.. The chunnels a cheaper job...even if you're headed to the USA, ironically...
You definitely seem to know your shit...so keep in touch here with prices etc.
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