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Old 11th January 2018, 06:23 PM
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Default Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Are there any rules or regs for doing this mod to a track/race bike.

Does the bike have to start up via the kill switch?

Or can a toggle switch mounted in the centre of the triple clamp be used as an on/off switch?

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Old 11th January 2018, 06:39 PM
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Put two on it, and make sure they're double pole double throw.
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Old 11th January 2018, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Originally Posted by Japcati
Are there any rules or regs for doing this mod to a track/race bike.

Does the bike have to start up via the kill switch?

Or can a toggle switch mounted in the centre of the triple clamp be used as an on/off switch?

Thanks.
Having a toggle switch on the triple clamp is fine and used on a good few race bikes
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Old 11th January 2018, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

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Put two on it, and make sure they're double pole double throw.
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Old 11th January 2018, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

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Having a toggle switch on the triple clamp is fine and used on a good few race bikes
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Old 11th January 2018, 07:07 PM
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Thatís exactly what I have and never any bother👍
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Old 11th January 2018, 07:29 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

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Thatís exactly what I have and never any bother👍
Can you show me a pic and how you wired it?

Would like to try this myself,but am a tad wary of fecking things up.
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Old 11th January 2018, 07:31 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

For racing you need to be able to stop the engine without taking your hands off the bars, so if there's still a kill switch on the bars, you can do what you like with the ignition switch. I still think it looks weird that modern racebikes that have immobilisers as standard have to run a key. As I found out when I started, its very easy to break off or lose a key in a gravel trap......
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Old 11th January 2018, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Originally Posted by swanny
For racing you need to be able to stop the engine without taking your hands off the bars, so if there's still a kill switch on the bars, you can do what you like with the ignition switch. I still think it looks weird that modern racebikes that have immobilisers as standard have to run a key. As I found out when I started, its very easy to break off or lose a key in a gravel trap......
Yep,still have the kill switch on the bike.
Its a 2006 CBR600rr,and it has 3 wires from the bottom of the ignition switch to where it connects into the loom.

Couple of folk have told me to loose the HISS system and key,as its less to worry about on a race bike.

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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Though not mandatory I also run a lanyard kill switch, tied to my wrist (like what Jet Skiers use ) , JIC I and the bike part company, older bikes don't have a tip over switch to kill the motor , so just a little extra cheap insurance
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Old 11th January 2018, 08:20 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Originally Posted by swanny
For racing you need to be able to stop the engine without taking your hands off the bars, so if there's still a kill switch on the bars, you can do what you like with the ignition switch. I still think it looks weird that modern racebikes that have immobilisers as standard have to run a key. As I found out when I started, its very easy to break off or lose a key in a gravel trap......
You don't need a key, you just need the transponder from it.
Remove the antenna from the ignition switch and tape/glue the transponder from the key to the antenna, then locate it somewhere safe.
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Old 11th January 2018, 08:33 PM
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Rights lads,this is what I have on the 2005 CBR 600rr.

Id like to remove the key/ignition barrel and the HISS ring and fit a toggle switch where the ignition barrel is.

Left side of the bike is the connection for the ignition barrel...3 wires....red/black,red/blue and red.


Right side is the HISS connection,with 4 wires.
I presume that just gets disconnected and removed?


The ignition barrel wires....what do I need to do with these?
Im presuming I need a 12V 2 pin toggle switch for starters anyway.


Can anyone here help me to wire up a toggle switch for the CBR600rr?


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Old 11th January 2018, 08:38 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Originally Posted by Gixxer
Put two on it, and make sure they're double pole double throw.
This. And seriously not a you have two of everything piss take
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Originally Posted by Japcati
Right side is the HISS connection,with 4 wires.
I presume that just gets disconnected and removed?
No... see my previous post.
If you remove it the bike won't start.

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Old 11th January 2018, 09:06 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Originally Posted by Gixxer
No... see my previous post.
If you remove it the bike won't start.
Is the HISS ring not for the key chip part though?

So do both key chip and HISS ring not get removed?
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Old 11th January 2018, 09:49 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

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Is the HISS ring not for the key chip part though?

So do both key chip and HISS ring not get removed?
The key chip sends a signal to the ring.
The ring sends a signal to the ecu telling the bike to start.
If you remove either/both,no signal so no start.
Remove the ring,tape the key to it and tuck it all away out of sight.
You might be able to get someone to by-pass the immobiliser circuit in the ecu
but above is the easiest/cheapest way to do it.
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Old 11th January 2018, 11:35 PM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Save yourself a whole pile of bother and just leave the key in the ignition and lockwire it, double if you really want to.
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Old 12th January 2018, 10:41 AM
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Might be worth a call to Gary in Moto Tuning, have heard removing the HISS can be a right pain in the bollocks.
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Old 12th January 2018, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: Keyless ignition start/stop for track/race bike

Originally Posted by Kaos Theory
Might be worth a call to Gary in Moto Tuning, have heard removing the HISS can be a right pain in the bollocks.
Thanks,Will ask him about it.

Google tells me that for my bike (3 wire ignition) a zennser diode is needed to bring the 12v supply to the ECU down to 9v so the fuel pump primes and the bike starts up.
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Old 12th January 2018, 12:05 PM
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All your doing is wasting a fuck load of money on a bike that's not anyway competitive anymore lad.
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