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Sport bike reccomendation

Its time i got a proper bike again. I am currently using a burgman as a daily bike and its great but i want something fun. Specifically a sports bike.

Roughly a 4k budget. I am trying to decide between a jap 600/750 or an RSVR factory.

Looking for opinions on the Aprilia. I would like to try another twin having previously had a 749s. The problem with the 749 was it always wanted to be driven hard and was a pig at low speed.

Asking people with experience can the Aprilia be driven round town or is it a pig also.

Also how unreliable is one going to be?

Am i better off just getting a jap IL 4.

will be doing approx 6k a year mostly weekend stuff with some commuting and keeping the burgman as a daily.
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Was looking at an rsvr years ago
But the horror stories scared me off
Stick with the japs
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Buy a Street Triple .
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Buy a Street Triple .
Would love a triumph but i think id want a bit more to spend first
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Potentially nice 929 Blade on DD at the moment. Of course pics don't tell anything like the full story, but that or a 954 would be a great used buy with some history.
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Would love a triumph but i think id want a bit more to spend first
Canít see why you wouldnít get a good one for very close to your budget.
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Was looking at an rsvr years ago
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Stick with the japs
So you've never ridden or owned a big Aprilia V-Twin but stories kept you away?

The knowledge I have about the old, reliable V-Twins is this: I had the Falco for the last 5 years, same engine, just slightly different tuning and seating position. In town the clutch can get a bit heavy on the wrist, but on the country roads there's nothing like the roar of the engine and the fun these bikes are in the bends, they just work like a dream. And long distance it's the same, did a 3000km round trip through France last year, and not a bother, easy doing 4-500 km a day without any pain. I would recommend looking at them and take one for a spin, I took an RSVR for a test spin years ago and was hooked, mind you I came from a Hornet 6 at the time. And looking for one now, all the necessary fixes should be done (brown plug, etc.) Check out apriliaforum.com, there's tons of info there.
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And looking for one now, all the necessary fixes should be done (brown plug, etc.) Check out apriliaforum.com, there's tons of info there.
Yep, this. Aprilia owners tend to be enthusiasts and know what goes wrong with their machines. There were some issues with electrics but I think most are easily sorted if not already done, be a question to ask the seller.

I see a lad regularly commuting on his RSVR (2004+ model) and seems to have no bother.

For 6,000km a year, would be nice to have something a bit special like a Factory parked in the garage.
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So you've never ridden or owned a big Aprilia V-Twin but stories kept you away?
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Yes it did
Im not gonna piss away my hard earned on a fuckin bike that disintegrates in front of my very eyes
And the odometer resets itself whenever the battery is disconnected.
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Yes it did
Im not gonna piss away my hard earned on a fuckin bike that disintegrates in front of my very eyes
And the odometer resets itself whenever the battery is disconnected.
Total quality
No signs of disintegrating on my bird so far, rather the opposite, they last very well, if looked after. Not that Suzis are the highest quality bike there is, they all have their niggles. Yet, giving hearsay advice to someone about bikes one does not know from experience.
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I had and 2002 RSV 1000 Mille (with the Rotax Engine). It was a great bike and didn't have any issues with it. I'd still have it if some c*nt hadn't stolen it.

It caused me less pain (and expense) than my current 2007 R1 which has had the water pump and starter relay fail within the last 6 months.

If you find one that's been well maintained and has low mileage, an Aprilia can be an amazing bike to own. That said, it you get one with high miles that's not been well maintained then it can be an expensive train wreck.

As the lads have said. Learn the common problems with the bike before buying. My model of RSV had issues with the starter clutch if you stated it with a weak battery. I bought a good battery and never had issues.
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No signs of disintegrating on my bird so far, rather the opposite, they last very well, if looked after. Not that Suzis are the highest quality bike there is, they all have their niggles. Yet, giving hearsay advice to someone about bikes one does not know from experience.
No
Ive no experience of aprilias and I never will
Your one of the few lucky ones
I never give advise here unless I researched myself on the subject
I was very interested in a rsvr but so many horror stories as opposed to the few happy owners turned me off it.
Best of luck with yours
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Buy a Street Triple .
Or a slightly older Daytona 675..
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Or a slightly older Daytona 675..
MT07? same price if not better as you might be able to get a newer one.
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Ive no experience of aprilias and I never will
Your one of the few lucky ones
I never give advise here unless I researched myself on the subject
I was very interested in a rsvr but so many horror stories as opposed to the few happy owners turned me off it.
Best of luck with yours
Each to their own as always, all the best with your bikes too.

That's something else, that's very important and good think dukeboy mentioned it: It's half a liter compression per cylinder and a twinspark, so unless the battery is absolutely full, make sure you keep her on a battery tender. If the engine doesn't fire, the backlash wrecks the sprag clutch over time and that's slightly more expensive than a battery tender.
But like almost every other bike, if you look after them, Apes are as reliable as they come.
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Had a good spin on a Street Triple r recently and it does everything brilliantly. The triple is silky smooth for traffic and the top end howl is there for the weekend.
Daytona is equally fantastic but might get a bit tiresome if doing much commuting.
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05 onwards Fireblade or a Triumph Tiger.
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Really only looking for a sports bike. parking a big twin for a minute. How does the 06 model 636 compare with other 600ís of the era? also gsxr 750
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Really only looking for a sports bike. parking a big twin for a minute. How does the 06 model 636 compare with other 600ís of the era? also gsxr 750
Zx6r or r6 both great bikes
07/09 for that money
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GSXR 750 gets my vote. 600s are fine but you really have to rev the nuts off them to get them moving. GSXR 750 is the most suitable sportbike for Irish roads imo, I had a k6 and k8 and both were excellent. Really nimble and loads of useable power, also fairly comfortable for a sportbike.
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I had a RSVR as a commuter bike and ride a GSXR750 at the moment. Before I bought the RSVR I was the same as you, I wanted one but was afraid of buying one as a daily. I ended up taking the chance and bringing one in from England. It had the necessary mods done to it so I never had it on a battery tender and it was fine (my commute was less than 10km round trip). It did give me some trouble, oil pressure sensor started leaking oil through it, the speed sensor is in a shit position and is on the same circuit as the fuel pump so when it fried itself it knocked out my fuel pump and left me on the side of the road. The dogbone also fractured as it wasn't replaced like I was told it was. Would I buy one again? Even after the trouble I probably would, I loved that bike. I found it grand in town also, I wouldn't let that put me off.

I'm riding a GSXR750 as a daily now and it's given it's fair share of trouble also. It's a grand bike, just not as exciting as the RSVR. I think if you're buying a proper sports bike they're all gonna give a certain amount of trouble. If you want ultra reliability then a sportsbike probably isint the way to go but hey, that's just my opinion. Best of luck either way
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I've had the older gen 1 RSV mille r for the last ~4 years. The only issues I have had have been a weeping oil pressure sensor, a dodgy starter button, a weak battery and as a result of the last two I blew a sprag clutch.
Mechanically the bike is rock solid and the build quality is superb. The main thing with the rotax v twins is that you make sure the battery and charging system are working correctly. If they aren't you will have no end of problems. The sprag clutch destroying itself is the worst. A new sprag clutch and housing will set you back about 300 euros in parts. It's not a particularly difficult fix if you're handy with the wrenches.

To ride they are lovely bikes. Torquey, stable, love to rev, light weight for the size of the bike (they're physically a lot bigger and in my opinion a lot more comfortable than the last GSX-R 750 I rode).
They're not the easiest thing to live with around town, the clutch is pretty heavy and it's difficult to find neutral at a stop ( You tend to develop the habit of tipping it into neutral before you come to a stop). The engine doesn't like being lugged at low rpm.
Get it out on the open road and keep the revs high in the twisties and it is sublime.

IIRC the issue with the gen
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^ continued (pressed post by accident)
IIRC the issue with the gen is 2 rsv1000r was that the more advanced electronics (the gen 1 Milles are about as simple as fuel injected bikes get) resulted in a small parasitic draw on the battery even when turned off, like they had a alarm fitted. If you left them for a few weeks you'd come back to a battery too weak to fire the bike.
If you plan to use the bike as a weekend bike get a trickle charger.
There are thriving online communities like rsvr.net
Or apriliaforum.com with loads of guides and tips and faqs. The members are very happy to help.
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Potentially nice 929 Blade on DD at the moment. Of course pics don't tell anything like the full story, but that or a 954 would be a great used buy with some history.
954 BLADE..... Well under your budget, and there are a few really good ones still available....
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My experience with Aprilia, it's great bikes. Yeah it caught on fire, but I managed to put it out on time and the fix wasn't too difficult. Later it took me to the Nordkapp and on a couple laps of Nurburgring. 12000km trip. So it's not all bad

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just got myself an rsvr, done about 600km on it already, around town it is fairly smooth, not inline 4 smooth but not 90 twin juddery. balance shafts do a great job of smoothing the engine out, lots of things to check but as said above most lads that have had them a while will have sorted various issues and ive seen them do high enough mileage for Italian bikes, i love mine anyways
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