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Old 29th January 2019, 02:36 PM
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Might get for the blade.any one got in the road bike and what like?
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Old 29th January 2019, 03:02 PM
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Japcati on here is a big fan
He would have a good input on them
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Old 29th January 2019, 07:47 PM
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Well reviews are good just concerned when bike laid up for but wit alight draw for the alarm
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Old 29th January 2019, 08:19 PM
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I put a Shido in my z1000 a little over a year ago and it managed very well even in the snow last year. Others on here had said I would be screwed in low temps but I have seen no sign of this so far.

I've not had to charge it yet and not actually checked the running bolts on it but the "test" button on it has always showed full bars/lights.

Lithium batteries do not like to be drained too low so if you have an alarm and you know it drains the battery, then parking it up with a lithium installed will surely kill the battery. It would probably kill a normal AGM too as it did with mine.

Best to hook up a trickle if parking it up or a solar panel maybe but I found them shite.
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Old 29th January 2019, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pat rabbit obn
Well reviews are good just concerned when bike laid up for but wit alight draw for the alarm
What alarm is it?
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Old 30th January 2019, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CodeJACK
I put a Shido in my z1000 a little over a year ago and it managed very well even in the snow last year. Others on here had said I would be screwed in low temps but I have seen no sign of this so far.

I've not had to charge it yet and not actually checked the running bolts on it but the "test" button on it has always showed full bars/lights.

Lithium batteries do not like to be drained too low so if you have an alarm and you know it drains the battery, then parking it up with a lithium installed will surely kill the battery. It would probably kill a normal AGM too as it did with mine.

Best to hook up a trickle if parking it up or a solar panel maybe but I found them shite.

This 100%

If you use the bike regularly, you'll have no issues and have benefits of weight savings. If you park your bike for long periods of time, trickle charger and you'll be grand.

You really should have trickle charger anyways even if you have a regular battery if the bike sits for long periods of time but regular batteries might be less sensitive and could potentially be recovered from a dead state where lithium ones will be fecked.
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Old 30th January 2019, 08:44 AM
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Do lithium batteries require a special trickle charger, or would say an Optimate 4 work with them?
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Old 30th January 2019, 10:17 AM
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Do lithium batteries require a special trickle charger, or would say an Optimate 4 work with them?
Depends on the battery. So long as the charger does not charge higher than 15V and more than 8amp continuous then it would work with the Shido I have. I charged it when I got it with my optimate 4 but not needed to do it since (dont think I even needed to when I got it but did anyway)

Each battery has a different spec.

https://www.afam.com/en/electricity/...intenance-use/
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Originally Posted by CodeJACK
Depends on the battery. So long as the charger does not charge higher than 15V and more than 8amp continuous then it would work with the Shido I have. I charged it when I got it with my optimate 4 but not needed to do it since (dont think I even needed to when I got it but did anyway)

Each battery has a different spec.

https://www.afam.com/en/electricity/...intenance-use/
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Old 30th January 2019, 10:50 AM
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Have JMT lithium batteries in my road and race bikes.
0.6 of a kilo,higher CCA and no issues at all.
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Old 30th January 2019, 11:03 AM
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Old 30th January 2019, 12:00 PM
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I'll get one so.my alarm is a cheap Chinese one but the draw is supposed be low
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Old 30th January 2019, 12:04 PM
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If they go flat can you recharge with lithoum charger?or dont they charge once flat?
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Old 30th January 2019, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pat rabbit obn
If they go flat can you recharge with lithoum charger?or dont they charge once flat?
They wont charge when flat. Unlikely at least anyway. If they are flat, they are probably broken
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Old 30th January 2019, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CodeJACK
They wont charge when flat. Unlikely at least anyway. If they are flat, they are probably broken
shouldnt go flat anyway i think, they generally shut off before they get that low so its just a case of charging when it shuts off
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Old 30th January 2019, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sharpbikes
shouldnt go flat anyway i think, they generally shut off before they get that low so its just a case of charging when it shuts off
You can also Ďwakeí them when they do that. Stick 12v to it with jump leads or whatever. Iíve a 650 single with a very compact little lithium ion thatís sat up for probably 6 months now in a cold shed....Iíll see how it copes in a few weeks,Iíve not charged it or left it on trickle,only thing I did was disconnect the negative
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Old 30th January 2019, 03:58 PM
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You can also Ďwakeí them when they do that. Stick 12v to it with jump leads or whatever. Iíve a 650 single with a very compact little lithium ion thatís sat up for probably 6 months now in a cold shed....Iíll see how it copes in a few weeks,Iíve not charged it or left it on trickle,only thing I did was disconnect the negative
handy to know, didnt know you could "wake" them. must admit alot of the info online confuses lads with all the talk of normal chargers setting fire to the lithium batteries and whatnot.
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Old 30th January 2019, 05:20 PM
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Old 30th January 2019, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CodeJACK
I put a Shido in my z1000 a little over a year ago and it managed very well even in the snow last year. Others on here had said I would be screwed in low temps but I have seen no sign of this so far.

I've not had to charge it yet and not actually checked the running bolts on it but the "test" button on it has always showed full bars/lights.

Lithium batteries do not like to be drained too low so if you have an alarm and you know it drains the battery, then parking it up with a lithium installed will surely kill the battery. It would probably kill a normal AGM too as it did with mine.

Best to hook up a trickle if parking it up or a solar panel maybe but I found them shite.
My understanding of lithium battery is very different.

Lithium batteries DO NOT require trickle charging nor do they mind being drained to the max. They will happily give 80-90% on a regular and frequent basis, and when charging will take everything you can throw at them to recharge.

Lead Acid, AGM, Gel etc are quite the opposite. They DO require trickle charging, you can bulk charge the first 60 to 80% but the rest has to be trickle charged. They should never really be drained by more than 50%.

Lithium will also last at least 10 to 15 times longer (cycles).
The only disadvantage to lithium is their cost, and their dislike of sub zero temperatures as has been mentioned.

Have done quite a lot of research into lithium batteries, planning on getting a boat in the next few years that will be used as live-aboard for 3 to 4 months at a time and totally self sufficient for electrical needs (combination of LiFePo4 lithium batteries and solar). Lithium has so many advantages compared to lead acid, but apart from cost the only thing you need worry about is sub zero temperatures. LiFePo4 batteries are the future and I doubt you will see anything else on cars, bike boats or caravan in 10 years time, lead acid will be a thing of the past. They are also dramatically dropping in price. The battery bank That I was budgeting for has dropped in price by well over €1000, was costing well over €4000 a year or so ago and now under €3000.

Some people have even tackled the freezing problem by making heater mats to put under their lithium batteries that are thermostat controlled and only turn on once the battery is at risk. Pretty certain you will see these commercially available in the near future

boat link but everything you ever needed to know about the differences between lead acid and lithium is there

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Old 30th January 2019, 06:50 PM
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Cheers for the replies.i need a new battery anyway so.may as well be lithium.inhave one of those lithium jump starters if it sischrhes anyway spose
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