Old 23rd January 2019, 02:35 PM #1
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Negotiating with UK dealers

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I'm thinking of going UK-wards for bike shopping, mostly because you can't get a Tuono V4 in Ireland...

Question is, has anyone any experience of buying 2nd hand from UK dealers? Are they generally open to a discount for a cash deal?
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They will have a bit of room to negotiate but not as much as you would think, and they would perfer if you financed through them to be honest, cash isn't as big an incentive. In saying that your best ringing direct, asking for a price and making a reasonable offer on that. No guarantee that you'll Make a saving over the price advertised but if you were to Pick up a bit of gear at the same time or similar you might get a good discount off it. Your going to come out ahead just on the prices there anyway.
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Also worth mentioning that they dont need to cover a warranty from their shop - gives a little room for haggling (especially with the prilla)
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Also worth mentioning that they dont need to cover a warranty from their shop - gives a little room for haggling (especially with the prilla)
I did think that the "you'll never see me again" argument might help...

I'm just wondering if anyone has experience?
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Re: Negotiating with UK dealers

English people/dealers are the hardest to haggle off!
I bought a few bikes from Drayton Croft in Coventry and could
never get a "huge" discount.
Larger market to choose from so they aint really bothered about Paddy
riding off into the sunset because they know they will sell it eventually.
Bulk buying is what a dealer would be into if you are to get any "big" discount.
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Old thread that might help - https://www.biker.ie/forum/showthrea...ghlight=dealer
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Bought the Superduke from a crowd in the UK. £10,995 asking price. I read the ad wrong and thought it was £10,950. Transferred the bulk of it euro and then sent the collection guy with the remainder (£2450). They made him pay them the extra £45. Wouldn't give him the bike. Even though it was leaving the country. The full service histories etc aren't a guarantee of anything as what I've seen from previous purchases and other people is that it's a stamp, performed generally by either a complete mong or somebody decent - just like here you have no idea half the time.

The good part is generally good condition low mileage bikes and a better selection. The bad part being they don't really care if you don't buy the second hand bike off them. Financing new shit is their main goal, and driving up the registration figures to get franchise bonuses. They'll get rid of the rest eventually

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Thanks, I've been through that one, it's really focused on the payment part, I'm wondering what you might offer based on an advertised price...knock off 10% for first offer? 5%?
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Bought the Superduke from a crowd in the UK. £10,995 asking price. I read the ad wrong and thought it was £10,950. Transferred the bulk of it euro and then sent the collection guy with the remainder (£2450). They made him pay them the extra £45. Wouldn't give him the bike. Even though it was leaving the country. The full service histories etc aren't a guarantee of anything as what I've seen from previous purchases and other people is that it's a stamp, performed generally by either a complete mong or somebody decent - just like here you have no idea half the time.

The good part is generally good condition low mileage bikes and a better selection. The bad part being they don't really care if you don't buy the second hand bike off them. Financing new shit is their main goal, and driving up the registration figures to get franchise bonuses. They'll get rid of the rest eventually
Cheers...that 's what I was wondering...no negotiation at all on the asking there?
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Re: Negotiating with UK dealers

I’ve bought a few from th UK and most dealers are using credit to finance the stock themselves. The outcome is that they are on tight margins themselves and they don’t see the money they get, so it is really just throughput for them. The gig bike where house dealers are not for haggling at all, the bean counters tell them exactly what to sell for and they have to do it. Advantage of UK is not a cheaper bike but a better bike.
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Ccs have 1 in at the min
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Re: Negotiating with UK dealers

Ami in gorey stock and sell new Aprilias. Was looking at a new v4 Tuono 1100 there today, sounds good with acropovic race pipe.
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Aprilia dealer opening in the north next month.Wes McCrum opening in Portadown.
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Re: Negotiating with UK dealers

I bought my bike in 2016 from the UK. No discount given and he looked at me funny when I started haggling.

A good idea is to have maybe 2 or 3 bikes, if possible, lined up in the same city. So if the first one is sold at least you have the option of 2 others.

Best thing is to ring a day or 2 beforehand to enquire if it's still available.
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All,

I'm thinking of going UK-wards for bike shopping, mostly because you can't get a Tuono V4 in Ireland...

Question is, has anyone any experience of buying 2nd hand from UK dealers? Are they generally open to a discount for a cash deal?
my experience, over several bikes and cages in mainland britain, has been that they don't haggle.. the price is the price. haggling seems to be a bit of an irish thing, you won't buy unless you're getting something off, even if it was a bargain to begin with

even if they were open to negotiations, you have no leverage really as your ability to go home empty handed is slim
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Why pay premium to a uk dealer, when the bike will be over here? Not like you're gonna have much comeback if theres an issue. Reckon buying private is the way to go, save yourself a grand. If you can find the right bike of course.
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a lot of them wont take cash now they want money transfer and I found there isn't
much of a haggle in them at the end of the day there is not a lot in it if you can just
find a clean well minded machine here and a lot less hassel
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Remember correctly a bike from UK a few years back, wired the money and headed over to collect it. When I got there the dealer handed me a bill for 5 quids worth of petrol. I broke me bollox laughing thinking it was a wind up but no he wouldn't hand over the keys without the fiver for the juice.
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They won’t budge much I got 300 off 8800 straight deal,tough to deal with
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Re: Negotiating with UK dealers

Went to the UK 3 months ago to get a bike. Did the deal on the phone and got £500 off, and he picked me up from the airport which was a hour away. Payed a deposited of £400 and he told me that if when I got there and was not happy with the bike I get the money back and he would run me back the airport. The bike was FULLY serviced and ready to go. When I asked he said it is a buyers market in the UK right now. My mate went over a month later to a different shop and things were just the same. This dealer payed for his taxi from the airport.
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Went to the UK 3 months ago to get a bike. Did the deal on the phone and got £500 off, and he picked me up from the airport which was a hour away. Payed a deposited of £400 and he told me that if when I got there and was not happy with the bike I get the money back and he would run me back the airport. The bike was FULLY serviced and ready to go. When I asked he said it is a buyers market in the UK right now. My mate went over a month later to a different shop and things were just the same. This dealer payed for his taxi from the airport.
Wonder if brexit and the fear of exports drying up has shifted dealers willingness to deal..
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Have bought a few bikes and cars in UK, most of the dealers make money off finance deals and would prefer to sell it locally, so don't expect any leeway. Once the sun's out the amount of bikes sold there is astronomical, so they have no issue keeping it. The last thing that will impress them into a discount is an adverts.ie/donedeal offer/attitude.
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Have bought a few bikes and cars in UK, most of the dealers make money off finance deals and would prefer to sell it locally, so don't expect any leeway. Once the sun's out the amount of bikes sold there is astronomical, so they have no issue keeping it. The last thing that will impress them into a discount is an adverts.ie/donedeal offer/attitude.
I remember year back all the big shops would off helmets/clothing as part of an incentive package. Maybe that could be done.
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I did think that the "you'll never see me again" argument might help...

I'm just wondering if anyone has experience?
I've said that before but add the following at the end

"you'll never see me again but cover me to Holyhead"
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Went to the UK 3 months ago to get a bike. Did the deal on the phone and got £500 off, and he picked me up from the airport which was a hour away. Payed a deposited of £400 and he told me that if when I got there and was not happy with the bike I get the money back and he would run me back the airport. The bike was FULLY serviced and ready to go. When I asked he said it is a buyers market in the UK right now. My mate went over a month later to a different shop and things were just the same. This dealer payed for his taxi from the airport.
What dealer was that?
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Went to the UK 3 months ago to get a bike. Did the deal on the phone and got £500 off, and he picked me up from the airport which was a hour away. Payed a deposited of £400 and he told me that if when I got there and was not happy with the bike I get the money back and he would run me back the airport. The bike was FULLY serviced and ready to go. When I asked he said it is a buyers market in the UK right now. My mate went over a month later to a different shop and things were just the same. This dealer payed for his taxi from the airport.
this should have had its own thread, so people could check him out/stock etc
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If your not sorted.
Lad near me is considering selling his 2016 v4 tuono.
Uk reg.
She'd be around £10k stg.
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Iv bought 2 bikes in the UK. First hit them with "look what's the very best, I'm coming from Ireland to buy not kick the tyres" Then the "I'm not bothered about a warrantee, so you won't see me again once the deal is done". Funny to see someone else uses the same line about the warrantee haha
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Bought a bike from a UK dealer for the first time last year. Only reason for going to the UK was that I couldn't find the particular bike I was looking for here in Ireland. My experience:

They would budge fuck all on the price. Chap I was dealing with (sales manager) promised he'd 'look after me' with a deal on helmet/gloves/gear. I reasoned that this was hardly my first bike, I was already well kitted out and would prefer a few quid off the asking price - not a chance.

I also tried the 'Sure you'll never see me again, never mind the warranty' speech and his reply was that even if the bike shat itself in Ireland, they'd still cover the warranty, no need to bring it back to them, bring it to my local bike shop and they'd deal directly with them and pay whatever was due (fair enough I suppose).

I was planning to get the ferry over and collect it but they wanted £99 to deliver it to the ferry port. Non-negotiable. Ended up being cheaper to have the fecking thing collected (Thanks MB Transport!).

I was still happy with the deal because it was the bike I wanted at a good price, it's just over here you're kinda used to getting some concession to sweeten the deal, however small, but in the UK it seems to be a case of 'this is the price, pay it or fuck off'. Which in a way, you have to admire.
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