Old 8th May 2019, 09:56 AM #1
SandR SandR is offline
ISB Contender
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Dublin
Posts: 312
Motorbike: CBF600SA
SandR SandR is offline
ISB Contender

 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Dublin
Posts: 312
Rides: CBF600SA
Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Hello,

My bike has a center stand, but that's only good to work on the rear wheel.
What if I need to lift the front (so that it's under its own weight)?
Can I just put the bike on the center stand and put the car (scissor) jack under the engine (with a piece of wood between the jack and the engine)?
Will that do for typical maintenance / diagnostics tasks?

Thank you.
SandR is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 10:01 AM #2
renniks's Avatar
renniks renniks is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Athlone (ex-Dub)
Posts: 4,179
Motorbike: CRF250RLA
renniks renniks is offline
Supporter

renniks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Athlone (ex-Dub)
Posts: 4,179
Rides: CRF250RLA
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Maybe get a pair of axle stands, and support the bike on a stout piece of timber underneath the engine, with a stand either side. It's safer to use axle stands than to rely on a single point of support with a jack
renniks is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 10:10 AM #3
SandR SandR is offline
ISB Contender
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Dublin
Posts: 312
Motorbike: CBF600SA
SandR SandR is offline
ISB Contender

 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Dublin
Posts: 312
Rides: CBF600SA
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by renniks View Post
Maybe get a pair of axle stands, and support the bike on a stout piece of timber underneath the engine, with a stand either side. It's safer to use axle stands than to rely on a single point of support with a jack
Thank you.
Would the front be still under its own weight this way? (e.g. for checking movement in bearings, etc...)
SandR is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 10:13 AM #4
SandR SandR is offline
ISB Contender
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Dublin
Posts: 312
Motorbike: CBF600SA
SandR SandR is offline
ISB Contender

 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Dublin
Posts: 312
Rides: CBF600SA
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SandR View Post
Thank you.
Would the front be still under its own weight this way? (e.g. for checking movement in bearings, etc...)
Ah I think I get what you mean now. So yes, the front would be under its own weight.
So then, the key to this approach would be to make sure the piece of timber I use is strong enough. Quite daunting TBH :)
SandR is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 10:18 AM #5
ehonda ehonda is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Dublin
Posts: 283
Motorbike: NC25, NC30,NC35 MC22,RC31
ehonda ehonda is offline
Supporter

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Dublin
Posts: 283
Rides: NC25, NC30,NC35 MC22,RC31
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

I've always just used a car Jack and timber. If you end up doing it a lot consider a front stand which lifts up the front of the bike and still allows you to remove the forks. There's also stands that lift the bike by the forks
ehonda is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 10:28 AM #6
Boots2008 Boots2008 is online now
ISB Contender
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Kilcullen, Co. Kildare
Posts: 429
Motorbike: SV1000S and R1200GS
Modifications: Lots n lots
Boots2008 Boots2008 is online now
ISB Contender

 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Kilcullen, Co. Kildare
Posts: 429
Rides: SV1000S and R1200GS
Mods: Lots n lots
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Simplest solution is to tie down the the back of the bike to something reasonably heavy once you have it up on the centrestand. This would leave the front end freed up to check for bearing play and the likes. More secure than the block of wood+scissor jack scenario too...
Boots2008 is online now   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 11:06 AM #7
Burt_Munro's Avatar
Burt_Munro Burt_Munro is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 993
Motorbike: Ducati Super Sport
Burt_Munro Burt_Munro is offline
Supporter

Burt_Munro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 993
Rides: Ducati Super Sport
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boots2008 View Post
Simplest solution is to tie down the the back of the bike to something reasonably heavy once you have it up on the centrestand. This would leave the front end freed up to check for bearing play and the likes. More secure than the block of wood+scissor jack scenario too...
I did the front fork oil seals by attaching (nailing) a beam across the top of the open side gate and lifted the front of the bike with ratchet straps. Worked great!
Burt_Munro is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 11:12 AM #8
RTV's Avatar
RTV RTV is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Cork
Posts: 1,750
Motorbike: The all mighty GS
RTV RTV is offline
Supporter

RTV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Cork
Posts: 1,750
Rides: The all mighty GS
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

If you have one of the static scissor jacks that would be good but wouldn't recommend the hydraulic ones, those are not as safe and not the most stable either to be working on the bike in the meantime.

I use a motorcycle scissor jack commonly used for cruisers, piece of wood underneath and tie the bike to it for more security, then you can work away with no worries.
RTV is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 11:12 AM #9
Confusion's Avatar
Confusion Confusion is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Cork City
Posts: 2,203
Motorbike: ZZR1100, Bandit 650SA
Confusion Confusion is offline
Supporter

Confusion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Cork City
Posts: 2,203
Rides: ZZR1100, Bandit 650SA
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SandR View Post
Can I just put the bike on the center stand and put the car (scissor) jack under the engine (with a piece of wood between the jack and the engine)?
I wouldn't do it. You need to have a more stable platform while you
are working on the bike. Most inline fours and triples have the
exhaust under the engine, so you would be jacking under the
exhaust or on a part of the engine that may not be designed to
take the pressure.

Quote:
Will that do for typical maintenance / diagnostics tasks?
Both of my bikes have a double cradle frame, so I can use a
couple of axle stands to support the bike. It only takes a few
seconds to get the Bandit on the stands. The ZZR takes a bit
longer because I have to remove the lower fairing first.

If you just need to get the wheels off the ground, you could
use a pair of paddock stands. If you need to remove the
front wheel, you can get a headstock stand, which supports
the bike under the steering head.

There are other fancy and more expensive stands and lifts
that will lift the entire bike off the ground.

Confusion is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 11:17 AM #10
allsorts&oddjobs's Avatar
allsorts&oddjobs allsorts&oddjobs is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: west limerick
Posts: 8,926
Motorbike: Heaps, in both senses
Modifications: Tyres, when necessary on
allsorts&oddjobs allsorts&oddjobs is offline
Supporter

allsorts&oddjobs's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: west limerick
Posts: 8,926
Rides: Heaps, in both senses
Mods: Tyres, when necessary on
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

if you do jack it up (i often have) just make sure you dont lift it too far or it will lift off the centrestand and topple over. if you have a shed put a ratchetstrap off a roofbeam to you headstock for support.
allsorts&oddjobs is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 11:24 AM #11
allsorts&oddjobs's Avatar
allsorts&oddjobs allsorts&oddjobs is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: west limerick
Posts: 8,926
Motorbike: Heaps, in both senses
Modifications: Tyres, when necessary on
allsorts&oddjobs allsorts&oddjobs is offline
Supporter

allsorts&oddjobs's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: west limerick
Posts: 8,926
Rides: Heaps, in both senses
Mods: Tyres, when necessary on
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

alternatively, if you can find a willing fat young wan, get her to sit on the pillion seat......
allsorts&oddjobs is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 11:53 AM #12
SandR SandR is offline
ISB Contender
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Dublin
Posts: 312
Motorbike: CBF600SA
SandR SandR is offline
ISB Contender

 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Dublin
Posts: 312
Rides: CBF600SA
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Thanks for the comments everyone!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boots2008 View Post
Simplest solution is to tie down the the back of the bike to something reasonably heavy once you have it up on the centrestand. This would leave the front end freed up to check for bearing play and the likes. More secure than the block of wood+scissor jack scenario too...
This sounds the most doable for my circumstances. Cheers!
SandR is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 01:30 PM #13
ENGLISH's Avatar
ENGLISH ENGLISH is offline
MotoGP Star
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kill. Co.Kildare
Posts: 815
Motorbike: Constantly changing
Modifications: Always standard
ENGLISH ENGLISH is offline
MotoGP Star

ENGLISH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kill. Co.Kildare
Posts: 815
Rides: Constantly changing
Mods: Always standard
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Cotters sell a neat little platform lift for under the engine. Much more stable than a car jack ( they turn and fall over with very little movement of the bike )

Abba Stand is the right job for front and rear work but you still need to tie down the back end.
ENGLISH is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 01:39 PM #14
ENGLISH's Avatar
ENGLISH ENGLISH is offline
MotoGP Star
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kill. Co.Kildare
Posts: 815
Motorbike: Constantly changing
Modifications: Always standard
ENGLISH ENGLISH is offline
MotoGP Star

ENGLISH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kill. Co.Kildare
Posts: 815
Rides: Constantly changing
Mods: Always standard
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Cotters sell a neat little platform lift for under the engine. Much more stable than a car jack ( they turn and fall over with very little movement of the bike )

Abba Stand is the right job for front and rear work but you still need to tie down the back end.
ENGLISH is offline   ReplyReply
Old 8th May 2019, 08:29 PM #15
HEATZ's Avatar
HEATZ HEATZ is offline
Heatseizers mcc
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Longford
Posts: 3,665
Motorbike: lots
Modifications: lots
My Motorcycle Pics
HEATZ HEATZ is offline
Heatseizers mcc

HEATZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Longford
Posts: 3,665
Rides: lots
Mods: lots
My Motorcycle Pics
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burt_Munro View Post
I did the front fork oil seals by attaching (nailing) a beam across the top of the open side gate and lifted the front of the bike with ratchet straps. Worked great!
i have a permanent setup like that in my garage and can support the bike at both ends (have an RF600 dangling from the ceiling atm )
HEATZ is offline   ReplyReply
Old 10th May 2019, 04:55 PM #16
GreenRex's Avatar
GreenRex GreenRex is offline
Back in Cumblowus O-H-I-O
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Columbus OH USAUSAUSA
Posts: 2,227
Motorbike: ZRX1200,FJ1300
Modifications: Sold 3 already
My Motorcycle Pics
GreenRex GreenRex is offline
Back in Cumblowus O-H-I-O

GreenRex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Columbus OH USAUSAUSA
Posts: 2,227
Rides: ZRX1200,FJ1300
Mods: Sold 3 already
My Motorcycle Pics
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

An Alternative is to use is a c*ge* engine hoist something like this
Added advantage you can move the bike if need be. I have a two ton version of this and it works a treat
Attached Images
File Type: jpg crane1.JPG (40.0 KB, 0 views)

Last edited by GreenRex; 10th May 2019 at 04:59 PM.
GreenRex is offline   ReplyReply
Old 10th May 2019, 11:32 PM #17
DavyH DavyH is online now
Veteran Racer
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,811
Motorbike: Rrn,Sp1,Bros 663,Fe650
Modifications: A few bits and pieces!
DavyH DavyH is online now
Veteran Racer

 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,811
Rides: Rrn,Sp1,Bros 663,Fe650
Mods: A few bits and pieces!
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

It already has a center stand,so why over complicate things. Put it on the main stand on level ground,grab onto the fork lowers and take the weight off the front wheel,give her an Al yankavich and away you go....
DavyH is online now   ReplyReply
Old 11th May 2019, 12:44 AM #18
scorpy's Avatar
scorpy scorpy is online now
Lurking boogeyman
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: North West
Posts: 959
Motorbike: FJRXJSXVCRFLH4190
Modifications: Yeah. A few.
My Motorcycle Pics
scorpy scorpy is online now
Lurking boogeyman

scorpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: North West
Posts: 959
Rides: FJRXJSXVCRFLH4190
Mods: Yeah. A few.
My Motorcycle Pics
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

I bought a 500kg bike lift on flea bay for 30 something euros for the Harley. Works a dream. For the sumos I ratchet them off the ground from a set of straps over the garage beams. Just watch the centre of gravity isn't too high versus your attachments or it'll turn turtle. Handle bars and under the sub frame works for me.
scorpy is online now   ReplyReply
Old 11th May 2019, 01:39 AM #19
Gixxer's Avatar
Gixxer Gixxer is offline
Resident gynaecologist
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 13,542
Motorbike: NSU Quickly
Modifications: Lobotomy
Gixxer Gixxer is offline
Resident gynaecologist

Gixxer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 13,542
Rides: NSU Quickly
Mods: Lobotomy
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

No.
Gixxer is offline   ReplyReply
Old 11th May 2019, 04:33 AM #20
me2 me2 is online now
MotoGP Star
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Blanch
Posts: 788
Motorbike: dublin bus
Modifications: standard adult fare
me2 me2 is online now
MotoGP Star

 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Blanch
Posts: 788
Rides: dublin bus
Mods: standard adult fare
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Use the center stand and put eyehooks in the ground for anchorage. and leave that hanging from the rafters gig to the experienced rum sodomy and de lash perverts, ffs.

PS. using misc' jacks or stands can cause bigger problems than those they're utilized to solve. Wrestling with a precariously balanced bike or having to shell out on levers, mirrors and indicators wouldn't be my idea of fun.
me2 is online now   ReplyReply
Old 11th May 2019, 07:54 AM #21
the landshark's Avatar
the landshark the landshark is offline
Quantum Mechanic
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mallow
Posts: 5,966
Motorbike: TLR,Z900,CB200,CD200,Pan
Modifications: They sometimes work
the landshark the landshark is offline
Quantum Mechanic

the landshark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mallow
Posts: 5,966
Rides: TLR,Z900,CB200,CD200,Pan
Mods: They sometimes work
Re: Center stand + car jack? Will do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenRex View Post
An Alternative is to use is a c*ge* engine hoist something like this
Added advantage you can move the bike if need be. I have a two ton version of this and it works a treat
I use a similar one. Handy for front end work, ditto on the back end of the non centre stand bikes. It also takes the pain out of removing engines.
the landshark is offline   ReplyReply
Reply

  Return to Main Topic Biker.ie Forums > General > The Workshop

Tags
car, center, jack, stand

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dubliner Jack Kennedy doubles up at Silverstone Admin Ride-out meets and events 1 22nd April 2019 12:20 PM
RIP Jack Nolan gary79 General Bike Chat 14 24th July 2018 10:57 PM
So...you Know Jack Shit? jafo Jokes, Pics & Flics 1 15th April 2006 08:08 PM
Jack Shit seanybiker Jokes, Pics & Flics 4 12th March 2006 08:23 PM
Jack Bauer Liamo Jokes, Pics & Flics 2 9th February 2006 01:19 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:17 AM.

 

Irish Biker's Forum

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection above. .