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Auto 1300FJR, yes its an earlier version so not as sophisticated as the later yolks. Got it super cheap, probably because of the auto, though they are meant to be worth more according to the book values. Once your above 5 mph its fine, however slow speed is not the best. Prefer a clutch, but for what I use it for, works fine. Its a mighty bike, most impressive mile muncher.
Spent a week on one of them,it was giving actuator issues but it had decent mileage on it and I donít think the clutch hydraulics had been serviced regularly enough. Pretty neat engineering but I think the fact it was an afterthought adapted to work with an existing engine, it was pretty trick. But thereís an awful lot of individual components. Very advanced stuff for its time though.

Yeah taking away from lights isnít exactly smooth but after that gear shifts are silky smooth. If you like that,youíd love the Dct,still a bit of a lurch taking off from idle on them too,and itís throttle by wire so sometimes overly sensitive on rough terrain
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same thing....automatic

been using scooters for the last 3 yrs or so for the city and a little motorway, 400's abroad, 250's & 125's here. Plenty of zip, buckets of storage, good mpg. On v long stints on m/ways you'd need the 500/530 xmax or the likes of the new 300 forza scooter. 125 / 250cc's are perfect for crossing the city or zipping in and out to town at the weekends. no brainer if you can stump to it - xmax 125 or forza 125 and having a bike too. im not vain enough to care what anyone thinks , id endorse scooters no end.

of all the bikes ridden , never tried a dct. Id say it would convert me, possibly. But id still need a bike with gears.


what ppl dont realise - sportsibkes will have seamless gearboxes , its coming, so between that and the must have trinkets like quick shifters , we're nearly there already are we not......

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Not convinced of dct on off road capable bikes. I wouldn't trust one over a manual clutch off road.
On road, fill yer boots. Only thing is that they WILL be worth less than clutch bikes on the used market once they're up in the yrs.
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Not convinced of dct on off road capable bikes. I wouldn't trust one over a manual clutch off road.
On road, fill yer boots. Only thing is that they WILL be worth less than clutch bikes on the used market once they're up in the yrs.
The DCT is at its best off road, imo.
I just sold my DCT Africa twin, and that bike was a real boon to a novice off roader like me.
I only sold it because of suspect build quality..... I could see it deteriorating despite religious minding.
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Anyone brave enough to have taken the plunge on an Aprilia Mana?.....
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Anyone brave enough to have taken the plunge on an Aprilia Mana?.....
I have one and quite like it. They are very popular in France and Italy in particular. Quite like the Honda 750 dct but quicker and more stylish! No issues with it so far, its brilliant around town better than a maxi scooter in traffic. And handles like a regular bike
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I only sold it because of suspect build quality..... I could see it deteriorating despite religious minding.
What kind of religious minding? Incense, mantras, prayers or human sacrifice?

I have a mate who is OCD with cleaning his bikes and kept his AT in a garage with humidifier. Washed and scrupulously cleaned after each use. He is now "negotiating" with the Honda importers for new spokes and rims.
I had a Transalp with similar deterioration and got no joy from them boys.
Didn't stop me buying another Honda though. No I'm not bitter. Not me never
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What kind of religious minding? Incense, mantras, prayers or human sacrifice?

I have a mate who is OCD with cleaning his bikes and kept his AT in a garage with humidifier. Washed and scrupulously cleaned after each use. He is now "negotiating" with the Honda importers for new spokes and rims.
I had a Transalp with similar deterioration and got no joy from them boys.
Didn't stop me buying another Honda though. No I'm not bitter. Not me never

Similar to your mate. Dehumidifier on 24/7. OCD on cleaning.
Not impressed with the build quality,especially when you look in all the nooks and crannies, so it's been sold to make way for something else.
I also found it somewhat lacking in character,whilst being a very competent bike.
Just not for me.
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Had a spin on both the AT and Crosstourer 1200 with DCT.

First time I was on the crosstourer going around a round about it decided to change up a gear, which I found a bit unsettling.

Found out after that if you put it in sport it will hold on to the gears longer and stops that kind of thing from happening.

In normal mode it wants to get the bike into top gear as soon as it can.

So when I took the Africa Twin for a spin knowing this it was much better.

I like it.

Seems to be a bit of an attitude towards it? Don't see why there should be, it changes gear much quicker and smoother then any manual.
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Seems to be a bit of an attitude towards it? Don't see why there should be, it changes gear much quicker and smoother then any manual.
But IT decides when to change gear. Not something I'd want on a bike.
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Had a spin on both the AT and Crosstourer 1200 with DCT.

First time I was on the crosstourer going around a round about it decided to change up a gear, which I found a bit unsettling.

Found out after that if you put it in sport it will hold on to the gears longer and stops that kind of thing from happening.

In normal mode it wants to get the bike into top gear as soon as it can.

So when I took the Africa Twin for a spin knowing this it was much better.

I like it.

Seems to be a bit of an attitude towards it? Don't see why there should be, it changes gear much quicker and smoother then any manual.
Eh, fuck that !
The highlighted paragraph answers your question at the bottom. Also it's not about physically changing gears, it's about being in the correct gear at the correct time = control. It cannot read the road ahead, you do and especially for off-road.
DCT AT's are mostly city bikes, as told to me by an auld fella I know with one.
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Eh, fuck that !
The highlighted paragraph answers your question at the bottom. Also it's not about physically changing gears, it's about being in the correct gear at the correct time = control. It cannot read the road ahead, you do and especially for off-road.
DCT AT's are mostly city bikes, as told to me by an auld fella I know with one.
I've been all over Ireland on mine not just city riding never had a problem with either. Same on roundabouts
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I've been all over Ireland on mine not just city riding never had a problem with either. Same on roundabouts
That's good that it has met your needs, but it doesn't address my point regarding it not knowing what's in front of it. Even so, it doesn't matter to me if it's good or not, for a few reasons I wouldn't be buying one unless physical needs dictated it. It's going to be brilliant for some and not so for others.
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That's good that it has met your needs, but it doesn't address my point regarding it not knowing what's in front of it. Even so, it doesn't matter to me if it's good or not, for a few reasons I wouldn't be buying one unless physical needs dictated it. It's going to be brilliant for some and not so for others.
But you have the option of running in a manual mode that removes that as an issue,also in auto you can still select up or down if you need to.
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But you have the option of running in a manual mode that removes that as an issue,also in auto you can still select up or down if you need to.
Exactly. The rider still has to control the bike & read the road. I use manual mode, just like a quickshifter. It takes time to get used to it but it works.
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But you have the option of running in a manual mode that removes that as an issue,also in auto you can still select up or down if you need to.
Stupid question,if you're using "manual" mode and rev the shite out of it in 1st,
will it change up itself and if you let it labor in a high gear will it change down?
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Exactly. The rider still has to control the bike & read the road. I use manual mode, just like a quickshifter. It takes time to get used to it but it works.
Plus it has kickdown if you crack the throttle wide open....and I believe you can buy a shift lever for foot operation if youíre really missing it...so aside from not having a clutch lever to play with itís the same thing in most ways.
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Stupid question,if you're using "manual" mode and rev the shite out of it in 1st,
will it change up itself and if you let it labor in a high gear will it change down?
The bike I was on had 1200kms so I wasn’t prepared to bounce it off the limiter but it got to the peak of torque and hp and I was just shifting up without looking,it hadn’t intervened at that point

On the downshifts side, I didn’t actually notice. I was mostly leaving it in auto and using the paddles as I saw fit,if you shift up or down it seems to stay in a different setting in expectation you’re going to continue using the paddles,then it goes back to normal operation. It’s all very seamless,I would suggest trying it out if you get the opportunity,it’s a pretty decent well thought out system but does require time to settle into the way it all works

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But you have the option of running in a manual mode that removes that as an issue,also in auto you can still select up or down if you need to.
My original point I made regarding dct is Off-road, on road I'd be a bit hesitant, but off road I can't see it being very beneficial. I use the clutch a lot to modulate and be ready to react. personally I'd need to ride one proper. I'm pretty sure most people who bought one are happy with them, equally people who didn't buy one are also happy !
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My original point I made regarding dct is Off-road, on road I'd be a bit hesitant, but off road I can't see it being very beneficial. I use the clutch a lot to modulate and be ready to react. personally I'd need to ride one proper. I'm pretty sure most people who bought one are happy with them, equally people who didn't buy one are also happy !
I get what youíre saying,but hereís the thing...the shift is seamless,so even if you find it a bit diturbing thinking it will change gear mid round about or corner,it doesnít matter because the bike doesnít become unsettled. The gear change is smoother then the average rider,and itís consistent. So that time you may catch a false neutral mid corner on a conventional gearbox because you didnít positively select will not happen on the dct,thereís much less chance of losing traction in wet conditions up or down shifting mid corner. Off road I think is where it would shine the most,it canít stall, and if youíre spinning up the rear trying to get a move on you can just paddle it up a gear and let the traction control do itís business if youíre that fussy.

Iíd have been very much against the idea of traction control,and abs too at one point,because I felt it took away from driving experience of a bike,but the systems available these days are less intrusive,and the only give away in some instances is a flashing light on the dash. If you get an opportunity you should try one out,for a reasonable spin...then make your mind up
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Stupid question,if you're using "manual" mode and rev the shite out of it in 1st,
will it change up itself and if you let it labor in a high gear will it change down?
no,
you are in manual mode, all gear changes have to be done with + or - buttons,
so it will rev out to the limiter up you dont change up manually
or it will lug around a roundabout in 5th/6th if you dont change down manually,
same as any other bike

in auto, it will change automatically,
you also have a manual override with the + & - buttons on the left side if you think the bike is in too high or too low gear
once on the move all up shifts are seamless, on downshifts the throttle was blipped automatically

i found manual mode better in towns on the bigger bikes, vfr 1200 / africa twin (must get a spin on one again)

with the NC auto mode worked better in town coz of the low rev limit, brilliant in traffic, very nimble
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I get what youíre saying,but hereís the thing...the shift is seamless,so even if you find it a bit diturbing thinking it will change gear mid round about or corner,it doesnít matter because the bike doesnít become unsettled. The gear change is smoother then the average rider,and itís consistent. So that time you may catch a false neutral mid corner on a conventional gearbox because you didnít positively select will not happen on the dct,thereís much less chance of losing traction in wet conditions up or down shifting mid corner. Off road I think is where it would shine the most,it canít stall, and if youíre spinning up the rear trying to get a move on you can just paddle it up a gear and let the traction control do itís business if youíre that fussy.

Iíd have been very much against the idea of traction control,and abs too at one point,because I felt it took away from driving experience of a bike,but the systems available these days are less intrusive,and the only give away in some instances is a flashing light on the dash. If you get an opportunity you should try one out,for a reasonable spin...then make your mind up


I am officially intrigued, I will try one. Just to note, I thought the old AT was shite off-road in Ireland. They are just too heavy, need a single cylinder, like an XT.
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I am officially intrigued, I will try one. Just to note, I thought the old AT was shite off-road in Ireland. They are just too heavy, need a single cylinder, like an XT.
Yep, I think all the big manufacturers are missing a trick just churning out lardy overweight 'adventure' bikes, and should try to get a bike out in and around the 150~175kg mark (think the original KTM LC4 640 Adv)
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I am officially intrigued, I will try one. Just to note, I thought the old AT was shite off-road in Ireland. They are just too heavy, need a single cylinder, like an XT.
Yeah I had an rd07a...the heaviest of the bunch. I did do some off-roading ,some pretty intense stuff through forestry,rocky roads,firetracks and bogs...it was far more capable than expected,especially on road biased tourances....but going down any incline was arm pump hell.Tough bike to do all that on,and sometimes out of sheer exhaustion I got it bogged down,at one point I was all about to leave the bastard to rot where it stood,it had sunk up to the back of the seat in smelly shitty bogwater. Ground clearance wasnít great either. So yeah,they can do it,but fuck that thereís much handier alternatives😂
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Re: Automatic bikes,or are they just big mopeds

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Yep, I think all the big manufacturers are missing a trick just churning out lardy overweight 'adventure' bikes, and should try to get a bike out in and around the 150~175kg mark (think the original KTM LC4 640 Adv)
The furthest off-road most of those yokes go is parking on the footpath outside starbucks.
All the high bars and alloy boxes is only for show.
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The furthest off-road most of those yokes go is parking on the footpath outside starbucks.
All the high bars and alloy boxes is only for show.
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