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SUGS 26th November 2019 08:28 AM

New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
..top end seems extreme .. :ninja:

[url]https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/graduated-speeding-penalties-expected-to-be-approved-by-cabinet-1.4094749[/url]

TuneR 26th November 2019 08:56 AM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
€2k for 30kmph over the speed limit, seems legit if in a 50kmph as 60% over the limit but in a 120kmph its only 25%. Dope.

sharpbikes 26th November 2019 09:24 AM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
and as usual it will be the lads that stop that are fecked. no reason to stop these days

kwackquack 26th November 2019 09:59 AM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
Doesn't matter how many laws and rules are made when there's no one to enforce them, courts are busy enough already so guards will be told not to enforce the crap anyway

seano 26th November 2019 10:09 AM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=kwackquack;3583293]Doesn't matter how many laws and rules are made when there's no one to enforce them, courts are busy enough already so guards will be told not to enforce the crap anyway[/QUOTE]

I had thought speeding fines and points were relatively easy to enforce no need for court unless someone fights it.

RTV 26th November 2019 10:27 AM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=TuneR;3583288]Ä2k for 30kmph over the speed limit, seems legit if in a 50kmph as 60% over the limit but in a 120kmph its only 25%. Dope.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely correct, sir. :thumbsup2:

It has to be measured in percentage.

Now, this type of harsher policies will also bring more push back from the public, they'll have to make sure that they have proof of the measurements taken, equipment will have to be calibrated, etc...

I with they'll instead focus on the real problem which is distracted drivers with their face stuck on their phones, but hey... that's just me.

efanton 26th November 2019 10:57 AM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
Not a bad idea.

Problem with it is not the idea, but how they implement it. So many out there not paying fines, and have total disregard for getting points on their license being that they will never submit the license in court.

Appearing in court without producing a license should be punished on the spot by immediate custody until license is produced. If there is an previous unpaid fine for a driving offence, then judges should not be allowed to issue further fines, but instead issue a custodial sentence.

Most of the idiots out there creating the problem are those that will not care what laws or penalties are put in place. They are the problem, and its them that should be targeted.

Gixxer 26th November 2019 11:32 AM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=efanton;3583299]Appearing in court without producing a license should be punished on the spot by immediate custody until license is produced. [/QUOTE]
Utter bollocks. :rolleyes2:
They don't even ask for your license when you get points. They don't need it. We have these handy things called computers these days, where all your details are stored. Do you think they're going to scribble the points down on the back of your plastic license?

-alan- 26th November 2019 11:34 AM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=efanton;3583299]Not a bad idea.

..

Most of the idiots out there creating the problem are those that will not care what laws or penalties are put in place. They are the problem, and its them that should be targeted.[/QUOTE]

Not a great idea either - in part for the reason you outline above, but also because it's bad riding/driving and overall judgement that causes deaths on the roads, and not non-compliance with posted limits.

That - as we all know - takes a bit of effort to police and manage, so instead Ross cops out and just drops in a new 'tough' law to punish non-compliance and be[I] seen[/I] to have done something. Politics/politicians - you gotta love 'em :doh:

PADDYOT 26th November 2019 12:37 PM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=RTV;3583297]
I with they'll instead focus on the real problem which is distracted drivers with their face stuck on their phones, but hey... that's just me.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2:
I'd be all in favour of armed unmarked patrols looking out for just this, offenders should be dragged from their cage and fucking executed on the spot, then roll the body into the nearest ditch.

crispy 26th November 2019 12:38 PM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=Gixxer;3583303]Utter bollocks. :rolleyes2:
They don't even ask for your license when you get points. They don't need it. We have these handy things called computers these days, where all your details are stored. Do you think they're going to scribble the points down on the back of your plastic license?[/QUOTE]

No, but said licence should be confiscated and a new one issued with points noted in writing.

And if licence is "lost", then should be done for failing to produce a licence.....

Iano. 26th November 2019 01:07 PM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
30 kph (18MPH) speed limit on the quays in Dublin... wouldn't be difficult to go all the way to that eyewatering speed of 60kph (37MPH) and yer fucked!!!!

jp biker 26th November 2019 01:33 PM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
Mr Ross is the best thing since sliced bread
Good man Shane doing a great job

Gixxer 26th November 2019 01:55 PM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=crispy;3583306]No, but said licence should be confiscated and a new one issued with points noted in writing.

And if licence is "lost", then should be done for failing to produce a licence.....[/QUOTE]

Licenses are plastic cards. There's no room for extra writing, and it isn't needed because it's all on computer. The bank don't issue you a new card with your balance every time you make a deposit or withdrawal. :doh:

seano 26th November 2019 02:03 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
I'm sure a lot of you have seen this , I think it should be implemented everywhere, biggest problem here would be the cop would be pulling everyone over there's so many people on them.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N1iw5Vdim8[/url]

Admin 26th November 2019 02:59 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
No big deal if you've got plenty of money from a lucrative government job with plump expenses account being paid for by the dopey public, and a Garda driven state merc to avoid these speed limits and red lights.

Serious money earner for the elected liberal conservatives and wont be long paying for a new Children's Hospital at that rate :ninja:

RTV 26th November 2019 03:56 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
[QUOTE=seano;3583314]I'm sure a lot of you have seen this , I think it should be implemented everywhere, biggest problem here would be the cop would be pulling everyone over there's so many people on them.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N1iw5Vdim8[/url][/QUOTE]

I would do that for free :lbhbh:

Yeah, you won't be able to catch them all but if you start putting fines and penalty points, the mindset will change quickly.

I mean, honestly... within my commute I can say that 6/10 are on their phone in one way or the other.:doh:

Frankkilty 26th November 2019 04:27 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
Has this law proposed by that festering putrid gonad been passed?

SoulX 26th November 2019 04:59 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
Awesome,so now the few that aren't glued to their phone will be watching their speedo instead of the road.
Good job rosser :thumbsup2:

Japcati 26th November 2019 05:18 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
Legislation was passed today.
Ross is part of a minority government.
Will need the backing of FF and SF to be actually made law.

FF have allready said it's unworkable.

Courts will be jammed up with legal cases too.

Japcati 26th November 2019 05:21 PM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=jp biker;3583310]Mr Ross is the best thing since sliced bread
Good man Shane doing a great job[/QUOTE]

I presume you are being sarcastic???

I polished one off to a dude 26th November 2019 05:23 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
Will have to be more careful now trolling the douchebags on the ring road

Rockster 26th November 2019 05:51 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
Can foresee lots of solicitors arguing the validity of speed camera/guns and how exactly are they calibrated etc. Issues over placement and legibility of speed limit signs a also.
Stupid typical over reaction from this Ross a hole who seems intent on making a name for himself. Another nanny state manuever telling us how to act, Think, eat, drive etc etc

efanton 26th November 2019 06:06 PM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=Gixxer;3583312]Licenses are plastic cards. There's no room for extra writing, and it isn't needed because it's all on computer. The bank don't issue you a new card with your balance every time you make a deposit or withdrawal. :doh:[/QUOTE]

But the problem is Plastic cards only work if the compterised system that keeps all the data is available to the guard at the side of the road.

As it stands a driver could have 12+ points but as long as he has the driver license (the one that was somehow lost or not presented to the court) to produce to any guard that stops him the guard is just going to wave him on.
the court system is totally feck'd up. I would sooner see governments put the effort into getting the courts system to work properly rather than producing new laws that will never be enforced on the very people these new laws are supposedly designed to catch. All that will happen is the normal driver who inadvertently exceeded the limit slightly is going to be yet another money spinner for the government with very little of it put back into road safety, and by that I mean making roads actually safer not spending millions of TV adverts.

I fail to see how main roads outside of towns can have speed limits change two or three times within four or five miles. Either the road is dangerous, and therefore needs to be fixed (widening or getting rid of dangerous bends and dips) or the speed limits are wrong and need to be reset to the national speed limit of 100kph. Take a trip from Buttervant to 5 miles south of Mallow and not including the appropriate signage for towns and villages the speed limit changes 4 or 5 times. The roads is dangerous, but as long as the government can get away with blaming it on speeding without actually spending a penny on fixing the road all is good according to them, and its only speeding that causes accidents.

kwackquack 26th November 2019 07:26 PM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=seano;3583295]I had thought speeding fines and points were relatively easy to enforce no need for court unless someone fights it.[/QUOTE]

Well yeah for cages it's easy enough to enforce I guess, personally I pretty much stay within the rules in the unmentionable because no matter how hard I try, it would never feel fast anyway so I keep my allocation of points in case I would ever need them for the bike, but then they would have to catch and/or identify me first :smileee:

DavyH 26th November 2019 08:43 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
For the love of God,wonít somebody just think of the poor cyclists:ninja:

blk150 26th November 2019 09:06 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
Cyclist lobby are a joke and want to rid the roads of us all. Be a good idea to enforce laws against drivers using mobiles to text, social media, catch up with sports highlight's (yes I seen this more than once) etc...but gobshites like Ross need to be seen to be doing something to justify his wages.

DavyH 26th November 2019 09:20 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
The last few days the roads have been awash and visibility has been brutal in rush hour traffic. You are now faced with drivers on narrow city streets ,veering towards oncoming traffic to avoid cyclists, and itís particularly motorbikes that are vulnerable in these situations. Who comes up with this shit

Gixxer 26th November 2019 09:46 PM

Re: Graduated penalty points
 
[QUOTE=efanton;3583328]But the problem is Plastic cards only work if the compterised system that keeps all the data is available to the guard at the side of the road.
.[/QUOTE]
Is it not? :wassat:

Christopher Livingstone Eubanks 26th November 2019 09:51 PM

Re: New Rules : 20mph over the speed limit = 2,000euro fine
 
[QUOTE=Japcati;3583323]Legislation was passed today.
Ross is part of a minority government.
Will need the backing of FF and SF to be actually made law.

FF have allready said it's unworkable.

Courts will be jammed up with legal cases too.[/QUOTE]

Lol, you joking. It is planned for implementation mid 2020. It will be made the law 100% because it "saves lives" and anyone who argues gets told "you don't want to save lives?!"


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