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oretom 7th January 2020 05:59 PM

bike racing in ireland
 
[url]https://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/sport/other-sports/grassroots-shows-way-forward-for-our-sport-38822492.html[/url]

seano 7th January 2020 07:46 PM

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[QUOTE=oretom;3584819][url]https://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/sport/other-sports/grassroots-shows-way-forward-for-our-sport-38822492.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Good article, I'm not sure there could ever be a decent superbike championship even if North and South collaborate with only two tracks.

corkgsxr 7th January 2020 10:26 PM

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What about England where theres tons of different club man championships are they all just gimmicky too

faz1 7th January 2020 11:14 PM

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Jaysus, that's long winded

jic44 8th January 2020 06:19 AM

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Cop on. its a hobby at that level. You cant be looking for prestige in one sentance and a no pressure event for bragging rights in the next.
Go and race in England if you want to make a carear of it because it will never happen here, there is no physical infrastructure

batman_oh 8th January 2020 09:52 AM

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[QUOTE=jic44;3584851]Cop on. its a hobby at that level. You cant be looking for prestige in one sentance and a no pressure event for bragging rights in the next.
Go and race in England if you want to make a carear of it because it will never happen here, there is no physical infrastructure[/QUOTE]

There aren't many championships in the world where you can make a career out of racing on a track. If you are that good and think you should be recognised enough to get paid then you'll need to go to the UK and race in BSB - it's the next best to WSBK and Moto GP. There's zero chance that Ireland is going to support a championship that pays well enough.

oretom 8th January 2020 10:31 AM

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[QUOTE=jic44;3584851]Cop on. its a hobby at that level. You cant be looking for prestige in one sentance and a no pressure event for bragging rights in the next.
Go and race in England if you want to make a carear of it because it will never happen here, there is no physical infrastructure[/QUOTE]

while it is a hobby i suppose if you are not getting paid, but the amount of money many people put into this is huge, a win return of 180 is pretty small, he didnt mention if winning the championship brings a cheque or just a trophy,
you would imagine its possoble to have a single championship with a half decent prize money with some decent sponsorship behind it
as for trials there is also 3 championships, the prize money is zero, the big one is the Irish, its hardest and most respected

Big H 8th January 2020 12:48 PM

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[QUOTE=seano;3584823]Good article, I'm not sure there could ever be a decent superbike championship even if North and South collaborate with only two tracks.[/QUOTE]

Pity that the Lake Torrent track project in Tyrone has gone to the wall - it had great potential as an International track fit for WSBK.

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Torrent"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Torrent[/URL]

I suppose the island of Ireland is just too small for such a big scale project....:wassat:

jic44 8th January 2020 05:38 PM

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[QUOTE=oretom;3584861]while it is a hobby i suppose if you are not getting paid, but the amount of money many people put into this is huge, a win return of 180 is pretty small[/quote]

People fly planes as a hobby which is expensive and wouldn't expect prize money for a good landing. There are lads paying to ride in moto gp.

If you want prestige or prize money your never going to get it on short circuits here no matter the club running it or the name of the championship.

Mondello is a business that facilitates this hobby and is entitled to do a tyre deal with whoever they want (this doesnt mean it is necessarily a good business decision but it is theirs to make).

If a person here wants a career or to win prize money or be prestigeous on short circuits they must make racing their whole life and be 100% focused on racing and nothing else. Other people in their life must accept and support this. They must race in another country and they must have talent and luck or millions of euro and buy a seat.

Gixxer 8th January 2020 06:04 PM

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It seems like it was written by someone like that red fella. The one who thought the world owed him a bike because he once came last in a race, then paid someone to DDOS the site because we laughed at him.

As above... Nobody is forcing anybody to participate in any particular hobby. If you can't afford it don't do it, but don't expect someone else to pay for your fun, but if you're good enough, you might get a sponsor to cover some of your costs.

And whinging about not having a fanfare when you go up to collect your third place trophy... LOL... just LOL! :D

efanton 8th January 2020 07:19 PM

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[QUOTE=Big H;3584868]Pity that the Lake Torrent track project in Tyrone has gone to the wall - it had great potential as an International track fit for WSBK.

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Torrent"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Torrent[/URL]

I suppose the island of Ireland is just too small for such a big scale project....:wassat:[/QUOTE]

I dont believe that for a minute.

Look at the Isle of Mann. Far smaller than Ireland but yet perfectly capable of running some of the worlds most prestigious races.

With a decent track on the island of Ireland and the right support from both government, clubs, motorcycle producers and sponsors there's absolutely no reason why Ireland could not host world class races. unfortunately we have government that have no interest in motorsport of any kind, and who see motorcycles as a nuisance or something that just have to be tolerated.

All it would take is the the different clubs to get their act together and put forward a decent unified plan and a government that could be persuaded to invest a lot of money (it would be very expensive), but at the moment neither is going to happen.

It's a shame that Lake torrent went to the wall. It would have been the perfect platform for cross border cooperation both politically and as an economic enterprise. I dont know how much money it would have taken to rescue the Lake Torrent project, but if that investment could have been recouped over a 10 to 15 year period it would have been well worth it in my opinion. With the increased tourism, and business spin off I would imagine it could easily have paid for itself as a state sponsored program, and at the same time brought employment to an area that desperately needs it.

jic44 8th January 2020 07:49 PM

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There is no way the irish government is going to invest in a race track.

patod02703 8th January 2020 09:44 PM

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[QUOTE=jic44;3584887]There is no way the irish government is going to invest in a race track.[/QUOTE]

Well, they might build one, in Kilgarvan...if there's a hung dail after the next election, and Mehole or Leo need the Healy-Rae votes......

Sure didn't Bord Failte chip in quite a few bob fado, fado, to bring BSB to Mondello?
Which would have been when another Kerryman, John O'Donoghue, was Minister for Arts, Sports and Tourism?

corkgsxr 8th January 2020 10:47 PM

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I have this weird feeling the TT has some history that might have helped its revival

seano 8th January 2020 11:23 PM

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[QUOTE=corkgsxr;3584901]I have this weird feeling the TT has some history that might have helped its revival[/QUOTE]

And the fact it really is unique, maybe not individual aspects like racing through villages or around an island but there is no other event I know of that has everything the tt does.


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