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fast3r 3rd February 2019 03:27 PM

Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
Hey guys,
Been searching around in the forum but I can't find anything relevant & up to date.

I'm considering buying a track-only set of tyres, to use in summer only for Mondello, for my CBR600RR. Perhaps Pirelli Supercorsa or Metzeler Racetek, or anything in the lines of, but road legal as well.

What is the best place to buy them online in Ireland? Or better to buy in the UK for better prices?

Thank you! :thumbsup2:

kawasixxer 3rd February 2019 04:01 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
Either of those tyres you mentioned will do you fine. From your question I gather your not experienced you won’t be quick enough to push the tyres to the limit or anywhere near it.

hondablade 3rd February 2019 04:17 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
Have read and personally bought the Metzeler M7RR tyres. Great road tyre and lads use them on the track too. Got mine from motorcycleshop.ie had 20% off in january.

fast3r 3rd February 2019 04:21 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
[quote]From your question I gather your not experienced you won’t be quick enough to push the tyres to the limit or anywhere near it.[/quote]

Not sure where you gathered I'm inexperienced from my questions, but hey, maybe I should have been more specific.

I'm new to Ireland, so I still have no clue what's the most convenient way to buy tyres. Supercorsa and Racetek are the tyres I bought in the past when I could afford sport tyres. The request for alternatives comes from the fact that I'm used to track days with 30C and very different condition. I know very little of which tyre models are better suited to Mondello, especially ones that aren't completely useless when the track surface is cold or not completely dry.

I'm entry-level intermediate, been to Mondello only once but I've been to several tracks in Italy; at least enough to know that there's still a big difference in terms of grip between track tyres and "sporty" road tyres in certain conditions. I think it's also due to the fact that I tend to get to lean angles that are probably exaggerated for my pace (I'm working on this!).

fast3r 3rd February 2019 04:26 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
[quote=hondablade;3563564]Have read and personally bought the Metzeler M7RR tyres. Great road tyre and lads use them on the track too. Got mine from motorcycleshop.ie had 20% off in january.[/quote]

Thank you for the suggestion :thumbsup2:
I'm currently using Dunlop RoadSmart 3, which I think are great tyres, and have used them in Mondello last year. They didn't give me a great feeling when I tried to push a bit more. I wonder if the M7RR are pretty much in the same category?
I've used Metzeler Rennsport for track in the past, they had an excellent grip but became useless (and quite dangerous) in cold weather (even worst when wet).

corkgsxr 3rd February 2019 04:27 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
Supercorsa or Dunlop is what racing lads are using.

Dunlop over a tire rule but that might mean you get alot more relevant info if your using them too.

Some lads hate the Dunlop some love them.

sharpbikes 3rd February 2019 05:56 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
dunlops are not particularly fond of the cold so require a good bit of heat, supercorsas are easier to warm but they dont like the wet...... either are good on a dry track once warmed up. metzeler racetec have similar compound to supercorsas, probably due to pirelli owning metzeler

kawasixxer 3rd February 2019 08:28 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
What I was trying to say is either tyre choice that you mentioned above will be more than adequate for you. Unless your a front runner in the pro class. If you were you wouldn’t be asking about tyres is what I meant :lbhbh: :lbhbh: What sharpbikes said is a good description.

Japcati 3rd February 2019 10:14 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
1 Attachment(s)
Bridgestone R11
Dunlop D213GP Pro tyres

2 best tyres for the 600rr on track.

fast3r 3rd February 2019 10:48 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
[quote=kawasixxer;3563586]What I was trying to say is either tyre choice that you mentioned above will be more than adequate for you. Unless your a front runner in the pro class. If you were you wouldn’t be asking about tyres is what I meant :lbhbh: :lbhbh: [/quote]

Gotcha! Well, I get your point. I don't think that the choice of tyre is only important for pro riders, though. It depends a lot on your riding style, surely, but I've always felt differences between different makes and models a lot, and there were tyres (even good ones) which I never felt comfortable using. Sometimes it's the profile, sometimes it's just that they don't feel right on a certain bike. And I don't consider myself an expert, nor particularly sensitive.

I think that even newbies, or occasional track riders, can feel the difference between a serious track tyre and a mid-range "road racing" one. Sometimes, it's the additional grip of the former that makes the difference between a scare and a fall in how the bike reacts to a rider's mistake.
But that's just my humble opinion! :thumbup:

Thanks everybody for your suggestions!
I've been reading up on new tyres I haven't used before (been sadly off the two-wheels for a couple of years), and I've seen very good reviews for the Metzeler M7RR.
I wonder if it's worth getting some serious dry-only race tyres, and invest some money in a track rain tyre as well. I have a phobia for rain and track days, and here it's sadly a common scenario to think of getting away with it.

sharpbikes 3rd February 2019 11:22 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
[quote=fast3r;3563600]
I wonder if it's worth getting some serious dry-only race tyres, and invest some money in a track rain tyre as well. I have a phobia for rain and track days, and here it's sadly a common scenario to think of getting away with it.[/quote]

simple answer here is to buy scrubs, get some partworn wets and some partworn supercorsas, 213's, racetec's, contiattacks or whatever your poison and see which you like. alot cheaper than new tyres too

bow leg 4th February 2019 11:26 AM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
First of all, you have no idea who is giving you information on here, and secondly, you have no idea if they have ever even ridden a trackbike on track. So the best place to get information is down at the track in Mondello. Ask one or several of the marshals down there what their opinion is. At least you know who is telling you. Neither I nor anybody else on here is in a position to offer you advice on tyres until we know what kind of pace you're riding at. Not what kind of pace you "say" your riding at. Most novice riders, and a fair chunk of intermediate riders would be better off on good road tyres. They are not pushing the tyres enough to keep enough heat in a race tyre, and if you don't keep heat in a race tyre, THEY WILL NOT WORK. Secondly, they will not have spare wheels for a set of wets, so they can still enjoy themselves just fine when it rains. By good road tyres, I mean recently made, appropriate ones that have not been doing burnouts. I've seen bikes rock up to Mondello for a track day with the canvas showing. The best road tyres I have used are Pirelli Rosso Corsa, but again, you have no idea who I am or how I ride. A fair few of the track marshals in Mondello only use road tyres. With regard to race tyres, my advice is to buy new race tyres. Racers do not waste money changing tyres. If they have taken them off their bike, it is for a very good reason. 99% of the time, it's because they are fucked. Unless you know the tyres and trust who had them, walk away. It's not wear that will fuck most tyres, it's heat cycles, and you can't tell how many heat cycles a tyre has done by looking at them. The line "Plenty of meat left on them" doesn't apply. It's very easy to take a race tyre and write "8 laps" on it. I've seen it done, and I've also had to pick guys up off the track and put them in an ambulance because of it. They could be genuine. They could also be completely fucked. Up to you how much you want to gamble, but a gamble it is. New race rubber is lovely, as long as you can keep heat in them. Good tyre warmers and the right compound is essential. There is no use putting SC0 compound in a bike in Ireland unless there is a heatwave about. Below 25 degrees c they will not work for your average punter. They will if your name is Glen Irwin, but for us mortals, forget about it. Dunlop 213 gp pro are the dogs bollox when up to temp, but once they start to drop, the grip falls off very rapidly. They are also very sensitive to tyre pressure. The Supercorsa sc are more tolerant to temp and tyre pressure and for your average punter, a better bet in my opinion. Metzlers are the same tyre with a different thread pattern. Bridgestones I have never liked on my bikes, but thats just my opinion. Avons I wouldn't put on a bonfire.

Admin 4th February 2019 12:39 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
Even though they're not mentioned above, the Michelin Power RS is one of the best all-round tyres for current conditions at mondello and faster road riding, unless you're on track in Cartagena or back in Italy - where the Dunlop's might have a slight advantage in chasing milli-seconds while hot.

Regardless of thread patterns, the Michelin compound just seems to grip better in colder conditions and damp tarmac and tend to heat up a lot faster (and not cool down as quick) than either Dunlop / Bridgestone / Pirelli.

Advice you get from marshals is one thing, but take opinions around the paddock with a pinch of salt, I know plenty of racers and track-day riders with all the gear who are as slow as christmas, but all self-professed 'experts' in the field none the less.

Road legal for your CBR600RR in this climate, you won't be disappointed with the Michelin Power RS ;

[url]https://www.cottermc.com/default-category/tyres/tyre-brands.html/michelin-tyres.html[/url]

bow leg 4th February 2019 01:34 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
[quote=Admin;3563634]Even though they're not mentioned above, the Michelin Power RS is one of the best all-round tyres for current conditions at mondello and faster road riding, unless you're on track in Cartagena or back in Italy - where the Dunlop's might have a slight advantage in chasing milli-seconds while hot.

Regardless of thread patterns, the Michelin compound just seems to grip better in colder conditions and damp tarmac and tend to heat up a lot faster (and not cool down as quick) than either Dunlop / Bridgestone / Pirelli.

Advice you get from marshals is one thing, but take opinions around the paddock with a pinch of salt, I know plenty of racers and track-day riders with all the gear who are as slow as christmas, but all self-professed 'experts' in the field none the less.

Road legal for your CBR600RR in this climate, you won't be disappointed with the Michelin Power RS ;

[url]https://www.cottermc.com/default-category/tyres/tyre-brands.html/michelin-tyres.html[/url][/quote]

From somebody who doesn't hang about on road tyres in Mondello:thumbsup2:

batman_oh 4th February 2019 01:49 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
A good road legal sporty threaded tyre will handily manage mid to low 1'50s once you aren't completely ham fisted. And you can go out in the rain if required. The race tyres will give you a bigger margin for error if running warmers but unless you are doing nothing but chase lap times or are in the advanced group and pushing on they aren't particularly needed.

bow leg 4th February 2019 02:20 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
[quote=batman_oh;3563642]A good road legal sporty threaded tyre will handily manage mid to low 1'50s once you aren't completely ham fisted. And you can go out in the rain if required. The race tyres will give you a bigger margin for error if running warmers but unless you are doing nothing but chase lap times or are in the advanced group and pushing on they aren't particularly needed.[/quote]

Saw one ktm do a 1.47 on road tyres there one day. The right honorable Mr Mc Williams. :woots:

DavyH 4th February 2019 08:44 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
[quote=bow leg;3563626]First of all, you have no idea who is giving you information on here, and secondly, you have no idea if they have ever even ridden a trackbike on track. So the best place to get information is down at the track in Mondello. Ask one or several of the marshals down there what their opinion is. At least you know who is telling you. Neither I nor anybody else on here is in a position to offer you advice on tyres until we know what kind of pace you're riding at. Not what kind of pace you "say" your riding at. Most novice riders, and a fair chunk of intermediate riders would be better off on good road tyres. They are not pushing the tyres enough to keep enough heat in a race tyre, and if you don't keep heat in a race tyre, THEY WILL NOT WORK. Secondly, they will not have spare wheels for a set of wets, so they can still enjoy themselves just fine when it rains. By good road tyres, I mean recently made, appropriate ones that have not been doing burnouts. I've seen bikes rock up to Mondello for a track day with the canvas showing. The best road tyres I have used are Pirelli Rosso Corsa, but again, you have no idea who I am or how I ride. A fair few of the track marshals in Mondello only use road tyres. With regard to race tyres, my advice is to buy new race tyres. [B]Racers do not waste money changing tyres. If they have taken them off their bike, it is for a very good reason[/B]. 99% of the time, it's because they are fucked. Unless you know the tyres and trust who had them, walk away. It's not wear that will fuck most tyres, it's heat cycles, and you can't tell how many heat cycles a tyre has done by looking at them. The line "Plenty of meat left on them" doesn't apply. It's very easy to take a race tyre and write "8 laps" on it. I've seen it done, and I've also had to pick guys up off the track and put them in an ambulance because of it. They could be genuine. They could also be completely fucked. Up to you how much you want to gamble, but a gamble it is. New race rubber is lovely, as long as you can keep heat in them. Good tyre warmers and the right compound is essential. There is no use putting SC0 compound in a bike in Ireland unless there is a heatwave about. Below 25 degrees c they will not work for your average punter. They will if your name is Glen Irwin, but for us mortals, forget about it. Dunlop 213 gp pro are the dogs bollox when up to temp, but once they start to drop, the grip falls off very rapidly. They are also very sensitive to tyre pressure. The Supercorsa sc are more tolerant to temp and tyre pressure and for your average punter, a better bet in my opinion. Metzlers are the same tyre with a different thread pattern. Bridgestones I have never liked on my bikes, but thats just my opinion. Avons I wouldn't put on a bonfire.[/quote]

:thumbsup2:

Never gonna get a feel for what race tyres can do if the best has already been had from them

corkgsxr 4th February 2019 11:13 PM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
Look can we just agree you shouldn't use Michelin macadam unless you want to do 8000 laps very slowly

HurricaneDream 5th February 2019 08:41 AM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
Take a look at the Corsa 2 that came out during the summer , using those for the road at the moment , they are slightly more relaxed to the super corsa so they don't warm up as quick.

But you get a little extra mileage and peace of mind in the rain.

bow leg 5th February 2019 11:20 AM

Re: Best track tyres for SS600 and where to buy them
 
Also, be careful with "Supercorsa" The "SC" compound is a pure race compound. The "SP" compound is a road tyre. There is a big difference.


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