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Chipped rim 19th May 2020 12:08 PM

Riding back from UK legality
 
Will go to UK soon to collect a bike. Around 200 mile journey. Insurance is not a problem. The bike is taxed and has MOT, however I was reading one of the unmentionable forums and found this:

"Sellers insurance is immaterial from a cover point of view. But, as all vehicles are tracked by ANPR, if you pass an ANPR camera car it will flag as uninsured and you'll be pulled over on the spot. You produce your own (Irish) insurance (and they're still in the EU, so it is valid) and you should be OK except for. ..........once you do a change of ownership is done in the UK, the tax automatically lapses. So you (might) get pulled for tax. Which, in the UK, they can seize the vehicle for...."

I honestly would prefer to ride the bike back myself if possible but I do not want to run the risk of the bike getting seized. Can anyone clarify?

SoulX 19th May 2020 12:37 PM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
The cops have checkpoints just outside the ports and they'll stop you and seize the bike for no tax.
Better off going in a van.

levin 19th May 2020 12:58 PM

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Just get it collected , I had a bike delivered to my door this morning , and I only sent a bank transfer on Thursday , between flights , ferry , fuel ,food, time , it pays to have it collected

johnny b 19th May 2020 01:09 PM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
Use a company like Ted's trucking etc
Better peice of mind.

If you still are hell bent on going.
Make sure the bike is taxed just take the full V5 and transfer your own irish insurance to the UK reg by phone.

Just don't speed, overtake, wheelie or anything stupid to bring attention to yourself.

I picked up a cage and had it taxed for 3 months but couldn't get the money back on the tax to an Irish address.

RTV 19th May 2020 01:25 PM

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Ted's trucking is the way to go, with the only down side of not being able to see the yoke before buying... but, now these days you can get a pretty good general idea if buyer is willing to send a few videos.

Haven't had any issues myself and it's very handy. I would recommend Revolut for cash transfer, it's absolutely instantaneous.

Chipped rim 19th May 2020 01:45 PM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
The seller thinks that I want to scam him as I want to buy the bike without seeing it first. But also what's stopping him from making off with my money once I transfer it? Doubt he'll give me his address before I transfer.

Chipped rim 19th May 2020 01:48 PM

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Ted's trucking also does not answer my calls or respond to messages.

bow leg 19th May 2020 02:17 PM

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Alan Fisher (FOM Racing on here) will bring your cash. and check the bike out before handing over the money and deliver the bike to your door. Alan races in the Irish superbike and also on the roads, so knows bikes inside out. 0851324448 Any issues and he phones you to advise you of them. If you still want the bike, he'll load it up and bring it home. Give him a call. Covid 19 might be fucking about with schedules at the min though.

Pumbaa the warthog 19th May 2020 02:47 PM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
[QUOTE=bow leg;3592250]Alan Fisher (FOM Racing on here) will bring your cash. and check the bike out before handing over the money and deliver the bike to your door. Alan races in the Irish superbike and also on the roads, so knows bikes inside out. 0851324448 Any issues and he phones you to advise you of them. If you still want the bike, he'll load it up and bring it home. Give him a call. Covid 19 might be fucking about with schedules at the min though.[/QUOTE]

This, he collected for me earlier this year, he's sound.

Dirtyshirt 19th May 2020 02:48 PM

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UK cops haunt the roads between the ferries and the cities. ANPR on all the motorway police cages, as well as overhead ANPR with nearby cop to deal with any red flags.
Not worth the hassle. Stick it in a van. Even the guys who drive those transporters that deliver cages have taken to putting tape over the reg of whatever they aren't driving to save ANPR hassle.

PADDYOT 19th May 2020 02:49 PM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
[QUOTE=Chipped rim;3592247]Ted's trucking also does not answer my calls or respond to messages.[/QUOTE]

MB Transport. Google or look up them up on FB. First class job, used them myself a couple of years ago. :thumbsup2:

Gixxer 19th May 2020 05:29 PM

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Unless you plan on riding around the UK for a week after you buy it, I don't see the problem. You buy it, he sends off the documents to declare it sold, and a week later the DVLA know about it, so how is an ANPR camera going to flag it as having no tax an hour after he sells it?

Technician 19th May 2020 05:33 PM

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Exactly. The system is definitely not that efficient.

Chipped rim 19th May 2020 05:50 PM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
[QUOTE=Gixxer;3592257]Unless you plan on riding around the UK for a week after you buy it, I don't see the problem. You buy it, he sends off the documents to declare it sold, and a week later the DVLA know about it, so how is an ANPR camera going to flag it as having no tax an hour after he sells it?[/QUOTE]

I think it is in case you get pulled over for no reason or for breaching coronavirus restrictions in Wales and then after you are pulled over found out that you just bought the bike and you are the new owner and didn't pay tax.

Owen2737 19th May 2020 06:31 PM

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[QUOTE=Chipped rim;3592263]I think it is in case you get pulled over for no reason or for breaching coronavirus restrictions in Wales and then after you are pulled over found out that you just bought the bike and you are the new owner and didn't pay tax.[/QUOTE]

The bike remains on the system as taxed until DVLA are informed of the sale or it is sorned.The seller can do this on line but I'm sure he could hold off until you get to the boat.So long as you had insurance sorted you should be ok.

D_K 19th May 2020 08:09 PM

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I remember reading somewhere that it maybe possible to tax it online and then cancel it when out of dodge , claiming back 11 of the 12months so only a few quid ,

denpat88 19th May 2020 08:45 PM

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I did that last year. Taxed it at point of purchase, drove it back and later cancelled. Got cheque for unused 11 months from DVLA a few weeks later.

Chipped rim 19th May 2020 09:49 PM

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I'm losing my patience with sellers. They're saying that they are selling the bike then start making excuses and are not in a rush to sell anymore and refuse to answer any questions. What a painful process. Got all the info from the seller and now he's like, "Yeah, the bike can be seen if I'm back at home, I don't know when I will be home". What is frustrating me most is that they're the ones usually with nice bikes. I guess could refer to them as "seller time wasters". I'm afraid that I would go there myself or send a courier and be left hanging. 3 different people now, same shit. I guess it's my fault for dealing with people who don't have ads up. I created a post on bookface and got a few responses claiming that they are selling theirs, looks like they were looking for a chat and didn't have any interest whatsoever in selling the bike.

Gixxer 19th May 2020 10:40 PM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
[QUOTE=Chipped rim;3592274]I'm losing my patience with sellers. They're saying that they are selling the bike then start making excuses and are not in a rush to sell anymore and refuse to answer any questions. What a painful process. Got all the info from the seller and now he's like, "Yeah, the bike can be seen if I'm back at home, I don't know when I will be home". What is frustrating me most is that they're the ones usually with nice bikes. I guess could refer to them as "seller time wasters". I'm afraid that I would go there myself or send a courier and be left hanging. 3 different people now, same shit. I guess it's my fault for dealing with people who don't have ads up. I created a post on bookface and got a few responses claiming that they are selling theirs, looks like they were looking for a chat and didn't have any interest whatsoever in selling the bike.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking that sellers messing someone about like this was unusual, until I saw they were responding to a bookface post. What did you expect? That place is only one step up from Adverts. Full of absolute tools.

Harley Riders Love A Reacharound 20th May 2020 07:01 AM

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[QUOTE=Gixxer;3592275]I was thinking that sellers messing someone about like this was unusual, until I saw they were responding to a bookface post. What did you expect? That place is only one step up from Adverts. Full of absolute tools.[/QUOTE]

I'm in agreement. Listed a traded-in german cage the other day on it for 595. Grand yoke that was driving away great. At last count I had 16 different people offering me stupid money even though it was listed "no offer or swaps" along with the usual "swap for me missus's used knickers". No buddy, looking at your profile pic, your missus is 17 stone and rising-I definitely dont want to know whats going on around her groin area....
Its like Retardville, Tennessee over there....

Dirtyshirt 20th May 2020 12:17 PM

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Its the assholes who text, without having seen the bike/cage asking if you can do anything with the price cos they are at the other end of the country.

positron 20th May 2020 12:19 PM

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[QUOTE=denpat88;3592271]I did that last year. Taxed it at point of purchase, drove it back and later cancelled. Got cheque for unused 11 months from DVLA a few weeks later.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I did this while buying a cage some 18 months ago.

RTV 20th May 2020 01:18 PM

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Call it DD, Adverts or Faceballs, they're absolutely all the same with time waters and dreamers.

But I have to say that if you're patience enough, you'll find buyers on all 3.

Things that really grind my gears are messages like:
- "best price"
or

- "50% of asking price, cash offer"...

What offer is it if not a cash one? Were you trying to pay with bonds or some shit???

There's a few sellers that really don't want to sell or they're so sick and tired of the time wasters that they can't be bothered anymore and they treat real buyers like shite. Being on both sides, some times it gets a bit tricky but again, patience is key.

Now, if you're a guy that puts a single photo and the description is "sound yoke", then don't complain about getting all types of questions and bullshit offers. You deserve it.

positron 20th May 2020 04:23 PM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
On an UNrelated noted.... (sorry), are we going to see an end to this "importing from UK" in six months time?

UK is planning on 10% tax on cages from Europe (and motorbikes I persume). Surely Europe will return the favour. To add to the mix, non-EU import, so VAT, and of course no one knows which way GBP is going to.

It's all a bit... up in the air, isn't it?

Dirtyshirt 20th May 2020 05:03 PM

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Between tarrifs, duties and plain ole VRT there will be no financial advantage to buying a bike from the UK any more. You'll still be able to buy of course, but to make ends meet, you'll need a good deal. I expect they'll try to chuck a load of 20 year old MOT failures on us. The big retailers will try to dump their second hand stock on the dealerships here.
After a while, the full time importers will only bringing in bikes from the continent.

seano 20th May 2020 08:58 PM

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I find the most annoying thing now is the automated done deal message "is this still available, what is your best price". If you can't be bothered to type out a genuine question your self I can't be bothered replying.

Gixxer 20th May 2020 11:20 PM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
[QUOTE=Dirtyshirt;3592315]Between tarrifs, duties and plain ole VRT there will be no financial advantage to buying a bike from the UK any more.[/QUOTE]
Of course there will. It will still mean you don't have to deal with lying cunts. Unfortunately, 99% of the people selling bikes in Ireland are lying cunts, so you'll still be better off buying from the UK, because they don't try to pass off a ball of shite as 'mint'.

oretom 21st May 2020 08:07 AM

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[QUOTE=Gixxer;3592325]Of course there will. It will still mean you don't have to deal with lying cunts. Unfortunately, 99% of the people selling bikes in Ireland are lying cunts, so you'll still be better off buying from the UK, because they don't try to pass off a ball of shite as 'mint'.[/QUOTE]

the amount of chancers sitting up all night watching dd looking to get in first , few weeks later or less, same bike back up for more money

Technician 21st May 2020 08:48 AM

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Plenty of people on here doing that.

PADDYOT 21st May 2020 08:57 AM

Re: Riding back from UK legality
 
[QUOTE=Dirtyshirt;3592315]Between tarrifs, duties and plain ole VRT there will be no financial advantage to buying a bike from the UK any more. [/QUOTE]

Big advantage (for me anyway) with looking in the UK was that there's a far bigger chance of you actually finding the bike you're looking for. Bigger market better choice. And [B]relatively [/B]close.


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