Sorry for posting again, starting problem with Suzuki GSXR 600 2000

[Man_In_Black]

Hi, sorry to bother you's again.

I posted recently about my bike I bought in October (2000 GSXR 600), then it had a problem with the indicators, got that cured when i sprayed some WD40 in and around the indicator switch.

Now I have a bigger problem. A few weeks ago, when I went out to start the bike, it sounded like the batter was low on power, and i recharged it, and that seemed to cure the problem. I was due to take the bike up to the dealer to get a new battery fitted, but the morning i was due to leave, the battery seemed dead, it just clicked. I tried to bump start it, got it going, but it was smoky, it wouldn't idle and eventually cut out.

I got it bump started again, it was still really smoky, it wouldn’t rev out and it cut out the second time. I got hold of the bike dealer, he sent down the new battery by post, i filled it up, charged it, and it done the same thing as before, in that when you hit the starter button, it just clicked, but if you played around with the starter button, it clicked continually.

I phoned the dealer again, and he advised me to try and bypass the solenoid with a screwdriver or a pair of pliers, but that made no difference. I rang him yet again, and he said to try and turn the engine over manually, there is meant to be some screw, and turn it 90 degrees anti clockwise, to see if the starter motor frees itself, has anyone heard about a screw, that turns the crankshaft clockwise or anti - clockwise? I don't want to start ripping at it anymore, and make more of a mess.

I bought the bike from a bike dealer, he is 74 miles away from me, he said he would stand over it, but only if i was to bring it up to him, but I am having a bit of bother with either getting someone with a van or a trailer, and i am wary of taking it up on a trailer, as i don't want to damage the bodywork.

Does anyone have any idea on what I should do next?

[Gitzy]

Originally Posted by Man_In_Black

Hi, sorry to bother you's again.

I posted recently about my bike I bought in October (2000 GSXR 600), then it had a problem with the indicators, got that cured when i sprayed some WD40 in and around the indicator switch.

Now I have a bigger problem. A few weeks ago, when I went out to start the bike, it sounded like the batter was low on power, and i recharged it, and that seemed to cure the problem. I was due to take the bike up to the dealer to get a new battery fitted, but the morning i was due to leave, the battery seemed dead, it just clicked. I tried to bump start it, got it going, but it was smoky, it wouldn't idle and eventually cut out.

I got it bump started again, it was still really smoky, it wouldn’t rev out and it cut out the second time. I got hold of the bike dealer, he sent down the new battery by post, i filled it up, charged it, and it done the same thing as before, in that when you hit the starter button, it just clicked, but if you played around with the starter button, it clicked continually.

I phoned the dealer again, and he advised me to try and bypass the solenoid with a screwdriver or a pair of pliers, but that made no difference. I rang him yet again, and he said to try and turn the engine over manually, there is meant to be some screw, and turn it 90 degrees anti clockwise, to see if the starter motor frees itself, has anyone heard about a screw, that turns the crankshaft clockwise or anti - clockwise? I don't want to start ripping at it anymore, and make more of a mess.

I bought the bike from a bike dealer, he is 74 miles away from me, he said he would stand over it, but only if i was to bring it up to him, but I am having a bit of bother with either getting someone with a van or a trailer, and i am wary of taking it up on a trailer, as i don't want to damage the bodywork.

Does anyone have any idea on what I should do next?

If you have a trailer then tie the fucker down good and tight, cable tie the front brake, leave it in gear and take it handy driving up/down to the dealer
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If you haven't got a trailer you could contact Jambo here on the site,
He'sa sound lad with a fully equipped bike trasnporter
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Don't Fuck around with it if you don't know what you are doing, especially if the dealer is gonna stand over it for you
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[YAMER]

screw? if you want to turn engine over how about putting it in top gear and roll back and forth?

[dobo]

Yeah I'd bring it back to him to sort by hook or by crook, don't to go messing at something if yer man is gong to do the right thing by you and sort it out
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[Slaon]

Assume he is talking about taking of the crank shaft sensor cover and cranking her over from there?? ... in your position I wouldnt, especially if you have to post here asking about the "screw" - find a way to get the bike to him and make him put it right ...... thats one of the benifits of buying from a dealer

[Man_In_Black]

Only getting back to you's now, thanks for the advice, I'm going to try and get a hold of someone who might be able to lend me a van, if I'm stuck, I'll give Jambo a bell, thanks for the help, I appreciate it

[chopper]

id say the mech is thinking the bikes flooded, he could well be right

[Man_In_Black]

Sorry for re - igniting this post, was meant to do one more reply for other users out there.

I have got the bike running fine now, the inidcators are a bit temepramental, but when the bike is up to full temperature, they are fine.

The reason why I'm replying is this.

There are potential pitfalls in buying from a dealer.

I won't go over the problem i had at the start of this thread, bar stating that i was told i had a guarantee, if anything went wrong.

when i left the bike up to the dealer, he checked it out, and told me that it looked like the crankcase had been sabotaged, as it seemed that there was paint stripper poured into the oil.

He asked me if i had left the bike sitting out on its own, or did i fall out with anyone, i said no, i hadnt fallen out with anyone, and i didnt leave it sitting outside anywhere, bar stopping and getting some fuel.

He then said that the starter motor was burnt out, he would have to replace it, and no of the above was covered by the warranty, therefore i had to pay it. When i talked it over with close friends, i reluctantly paid up, but i was not pleased about it. My father asked was it possible that the fuel couldve leaked into the oil, the dealer saidit wasnt.

It knawed away at me for a while, then i got thinking, and done another search of the internet, for possible related problems, and i came across a post on a GSXR forum, where someone's bike had borken down.

What happpened was that this guy/girls bike had been sitting for a while, and "varnishing" had taken place i.e the float valves had build up of varnishy stuff on them , and the fuel leaked down into the engine, thus making the buike run like a camel, very smokey, and eventually conk out.

I now believe that this was the REAL reason why it broke down, and the dealer took advantage of it.

The only advice i would give to people out there, is to try and find out if the bike has been sitting up for a while, if it has, proceed with caution.

[j-hornet250]

I'd bring bike back for full refund. petrol breaks down oil, so if it's been in there a while the oils being doing f' all and your bearings and every bearing surface could be on the way out.

[Man_In_Black]

Hey J - Hornet, cheers for the reply, the dealer changed the oil in it and cleaned out the carburettors, the bikes going fine now, you know by the crankcase window that he put fresh oil into it.

it would be hard to get a refund now, just have to rack it up as experience, as long as everyone whjo read this thread is more aware of one potential pitfall when it comes to buying from a dealer.

[chopper]

Originally Posted by Man_In_Black

Hey J - Hornet, cheers for the reply, the dealer changed the oil in it and cleaned out the carburettors, the bikes going fine now, you know by the crankcase window that he put fresh oil into it.

it would be hard to get a refund now, just have to rack it up as experience, as long as everyone whjo read this thread is more aware of one potential pitfall when it comes to buying from a dealer.

yer overreacting in my opinion. a simple sticky float in a carb would have caused all the probs you have , it could happen and carbed bike that hasnt a vacum tap .
come to think of it....your bike has a vacum tap ,so in order for this to happen (filling the bores with petrol)you would need to have left it on prime while it was sitting up , if this is the case you kinda ripped the dealer as it was your fault !
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[chopper]

Originally Posted by j-hornet250

I'd bring bike back for full refund. petrol breaks down oil, so if it's been in there a while the oils being doing f' all and your bearings and every bearing surface could be on the way out.

see my last post
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[j-hornet250]

but you not reckon if enough fuel got in the oil would turn to shit and when bike was run engine would eventually fail

[chopper]

Originally Posted by j-hornet250

but you not reckon if enough fuel got in the oil would turn to shit and when bike was run engine would eventually fail

well if it did its the ops fault for leaving the bike on prime. i dont think he is correct in blaming varnishing either ,the vacum tap is there for this specific reason ,it stops the flow of petrol once the bikes switched off ,thus the bores cant fill with juice .all it took was a bit of grit in the petrol which got stuck in a float valve and the mess ensued . sounds like when he " got hold" of the dealer he was expecting the dealer to come 74 miles to fix a problem that was his own making .
if the bit about the varnish in the engine theory is true then its very bad form ,anybody at bikes a while has seen flooded bores before and tbh id say when the dealer told him to turn the crank by hand he had a pretty good idea what was up (at least thats what i took from it ,see post 7), i could see how a starter could have been damaged though.

the amount of time the bike was run with petrol in the oil was pretty minor and if anything would have served as an engine flush .