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Old 18th February 2011, 09:19 PM
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howya had to edit post cos bike is zzr1100

read this carefully before before you start telling me the battery is fucked or me flux capacitor is sned

need this bike early morning to go to a funeral

rained all day at work - bike out in it

walked to bike at 6 and cos there no cold there and i'm wary of the bike revving its nuts off when you use full choke - I decided to use half choke

bike started but as I expected ran for 30 secs - no time to hit the throttle at half choke cos I was smoking the first fag of the afternoon

and then died

fine usual stuff

went to start again - ignition lights on - in nuetral - run switch in right position - nada

ignition lights on - turned off lights - no visible drain on battery cos ignition lights did not dim

moved bike and rocked in gear a few times, same result, came back to ignition on, kill switch off, clutch lever wanked even though there is no sensor on that

nada

if main ignition/starter fuse had blown, last time it happened dont remember ignition lights

i know the direct feed to the starter but i,m not at the bike

"watery switch gear or starter relay?" - or (how could the starter be gone - it started the fuggin bike first time)

bike has been pushed into a warehouse to dry but needed very early, any suggestions to this

was going to direct feed the starter but what do I do when i get there

any pointers appreciated

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Old 18th February 2011, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

Is the solenoid clicking?

If not, short across the solenoid (with the ignition on and out of gear)
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Old 18th February 2011, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gixxer
Is the solenoid clicking?

If not, short across the solenoid (with the ignition on and out of gear)
told ya no click - no visible dimmimg of lights - would hot wire but not at bike and dont think the family would appreciate me taking a roll of red cable from the pocket to get going again


i'm old and tired but that would eliminate "kill switches" wouldn't it

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Old 18th February 2011, 09:31 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

Starter could be on the way out...
I had a bike that did something very similar. I had to tap the starter with a hammer. This worked till I got a new starter for it!

Worth a shot! Be gentle mind!
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Old 18th February 2011, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nogthebold
told ya no click - no visible dimmimg of lights - would hot wire but not at bike and dont think the family would appreciate me taking a roll of red cable from the pocket to get going again


i'm old and tired but that would eliminate "kill switches" wouldn't it
Yeah that would eliminate the kill switches, clutch, side stand etc.

Just short across it with a coin or a screwdriver or something.
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Old 18th February 2011, 09:44 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

Originally Posted by Motormike
Starter could be on the way out...
I had a bike that did something very similar. I had to tap the starter with a hammer. This worked till I got a new starter for it
Worth a shot! Be gentle mind!
thanks for the replies
thats why i rocked it a few times

club hammer or sledge - its what i feel like doing

all is not lost - gonna be daylight hours so going to give the c15 a run

but if anyone can nail down wether starter or starter relay - much appreciated

need this bike for work and all pennies going to a holiday for the kids in march so, as you can appreciate, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUk It
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Old 18th February 2011, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

happened with my zzr couple of times in heavy rain,was kill switch
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Old 18th February 2011, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

Originally Posted by jim
happened with my zzr couple of times in heavy rain,was kill switch
got into the habit of stopping bike with ignition cos a few mornings the switch would be frozen and not something you can hit with a kettle of warm water

hoping you're right - maybe the vibration of starting it landed a big glob of water between the contacts

gotta find me kidney belt and put the lining back into the waterproofs - the bsa is a rough ride

thanks lads - its not fixed - but in fairness you've put my mind at some ease - cant check anything till i'm back at the bike
much appreciated

now burger handed to me - 8 pack of beer - "WHAT THE FUGG IS SHE AFTER"
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Old 18th February 2011, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

happened to me,was ignition fuse badly coroided from rain over time. had all ignition lights but starter wouldnt turn. just replaced fuse
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Old 18th February 2011, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gsxr100k7
happened to me,was ignition fuse badly coroided from rain over time. had all ignition lights but starter wouldnt turn. just replaced fuse
gotta take tank off in morning to check that - tried to get to main fuse but just out of reach

hopefully a night in a dry warehouse will cure all
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Old 18th February 2011, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nogthebold
..hopefully a night in a whorehouse will cure all
Works for me
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Old 18th February 2011, 10:34 PM
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it was a dsylesic pimp who bought ours

was surprised to see only beards and forklifts













mind you I ws in a place in germany once called the "moulin rouge" where there were both beards on the cnuts and you'd need a forklift

it was for work see - entertaining guests - paid for

looked at the reciept after - what i gave them two fatties for "cranberry juice" over 100 sterling

and no I didn't - but the sicko I was supposed to be entertaining did ride one of them

another 300
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Old 18th February 2011, 11:00 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

shit anyway nog, pain in the arse!

sorry nog but it could be a number of things, could be sorted within minutes or hours, but that's taking a good look at it, trouble shooting.

as gixer said, short across the solenoid and if your getting it to turn but not starting then the startor signal from the junction box(relay and/or diode within) could be at fault or the rain has got in to play havok with the startor switch.

I know you said you turned off the lights, but could be 100% that you have the headlight, dipped & beam.

I'm getting a bit flustered when you said that after 30 secs that it died...fine usual stuff, does this happen all the time?

hopefully it was the rain playing havok with the switch and it dried out over night and she'll kick first go in the morning.

lets us know anyways!

good luck
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Old 19th February 2011, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

update

cross solenoid and starter is fine but no fire

removed switchgear from handlebars, blew out, cleaned and tested continuity of switches (OK)

removed and cleaned all connectors coming from handlebars, ignition switch etc

all electrics seem fine

for all the world it seems like kill switch is on

pretty sure all contacts are now clean and dry but not a click, movement - not a geek out of the starter solenoid

had to go cos kids got bored but have the solenoid with me to test

couldn't get a reading from any of the contact wires when the starter button was pressed but there is power to it

will look and see if manual has test method

not starter, possibly starter solenoid, any chance the CDI is fucking with its brains

any help appreciated
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Old 19th February 2011, 02:12 PM
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Did you try it with the side stand up and clutch in? Could be the neutral switch... are you getting a neutral light on the dash?
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Old 19th February 2011, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

all done gixxer

just tested the starter solenoid by the prescribed method in the handbook and sned - not a geek

pat & tim breakers have a replacement but just got to get to carrigaline now


hope to fugg that will cure it

EDIT: bastarding thing just strted working, contacts may not have been great

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Old 19th February 2011, 02:24 PM
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did ya check the sidestand switche nog
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Old 19th February 2011, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

Originally Posted by chopper
did ya check the sidestand switche nog
bike will start with sidestand down just will stall when put in gear, kids going swimming so going back up to bike with the now working solenoid, main fuse is on side of it and when i messed with it it started working#
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nice to hear from you chop - all ok??
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Old 19th February 2011, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: electrics piss wet or starter relay

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEED


put solenoid back in still nothing

played around with a few connectors and still nowt so in frustration I dismantled thye actual starter button and took it from the handlebar casing


result - started and all is fine - wet or shit making guff of the contact

just got to put it all back together now

@chopper, ta for telling me to check the sidestand switch, switch ok but the sidestand bolts had come loose

got to take the exhaust off to tighten them now

just shows how simple things can wreck your head and why finding a fault may take a few hours

cheers
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Old 19th February 2011, 03:18 PM
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Kawasaki should add "dismantle and clean all switchgear" to their annual service list.

Glad to see a good result.
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