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Old 8th September 2018, 06:16 PM
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Does anybody have any experience with Hho generators, specifically fitting one onto a bike?
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Old 8th September 2018, 06:24 PM
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No personal experience but I know an aul boy that fitted a few to his cages, both very old and at opposite ends of the spectrum... Both were carb'd also, the big old lump of British had such a monstrous motor I don't think it was all that bothered by it, and he swore it went from single to double figures on the MPG.... The little Italian glorified moped didn't take too well and holed a piston from what I remember.
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Old 8th September 2018, 08:26 PM
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Conservation of energy, it takes more power to make hydrogen than you can ever get by burning it.
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Old 8th September 2018, 08:37 PM
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Conservation of energy, it takes more power to make hydrogen than you can ever get by burning it.
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Old 8th September 2018, 09:57 PM
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is that the suuff you can put sea water into your tank
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Old 9th September 2018, 06:30 AM
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No it's just regular water with a little additive and the process doesn't "make" hydrogen, it simply uses electricity to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen which are both found abundantly in water.
The bike in question is a 2000 Varadero xl1000 which is a carbed bike. I've noticed that I get about 150 miles before the tank light comes on so I'm trying to extend that mileage.
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Old 9th September 2018, 07:49 AM
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Electrolysis will split H2O into hydrogen and oxygen but uses guite a lot of energy to do so. You would need an external free electricity source such as solar to do so and it would be very slow to convert. You would need loads of electricity to convert even 1L an hour.

The fun part of that comes when burning them back again! One of the best chemistry experiments I did in school.....the explosion felt like it was going to blow the whole school up!!!!
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Old 9th September 2018, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by N1ghtr08d
No it's just regular water with a little additive and the process doesn't "make" hydrogen, it simply uses electricity to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen which are both found abundantly in water.
The bike in question is a 2000 Varadero xl1000 which is a carbed bike. I've noticed that I get about 150 miles before the tank light comes on so I'm trying to extend that mileage.
Fit a bigger tank?
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Old 9th September 2018, 08:37 AM
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Buy a 6 speed injected model!
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Old 9th September 2018, 11:22 AM
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Buy a bike with a perpetual motor!
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Old 9th September 2018, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by N1ghtr08d
No it's just regular water with a little additive and the process doesn't "make" hydrogen, it simply uses electricity to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen which are both found abundantly in water.
The bike in question is a 2000 Varadero xl1000 which is a carbed bike. I've noticed that I get about 150 miles before the tank light comes on so I'm trying to extend that mileage.
As was mentioned above... conservation of energy. It's the first LAW of thermodynamics, which means it cannot be broken, and the simple fact is, it takes more energy to break the hydrogen bond and release those 2 hydrogen atoms than the energy released when you burn those hydrogen atoms. That means that without an external (not connected to the system) source of power for the electrolysis, fitting one of these silly devices will give you LESS MPG than if you hadn't fitted one. This isn't debatable and it doesn't matter which of these bullshit units you buy, because you can't break the laws of thermodynamics. It's that simple, and anyone selling these things is a lying snake-oil selling cúnt, preying on gullible people who don't know how to use Google to check if they're buying snake oil
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Old 9th September 2018, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gixxer
As was mentioned above... conservation of energy. It's the first LAW of thermodynamics, which means it cannot be broken, and the simple fact is, it takes more energy to break the hydrogen bond and release those 2 hydrogen atoms than the energy released when you burn those hydrogen atoms. That means that without an external (not connected to the system) source of power for the electrolysis, fitting one of these silly devices will give you LESS MPG than if you hadn't fitted one. This isn't debatable and it doesn't matter which of these bullshit units you buy, because you can't break the laws of thermodynamics. It's that simple, and anyone selling these things is a lying snake-oil selling cúnt, preying on gullible people who don't know how to use Google to check if they're buying snake oil

Them and those fucking magnetic fuel line chafers.
Some people will believe anything.
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Old 9th September 2018, 06:20 PM
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Them and those fucking magnetic fuel line chafers.
Some people will believe anything.
Funny, that aul boy was fond of them too....
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Old 9th September 2018, 08:41 PM
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Funny, that fucking eejit was fond of them too....
FTFY
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Old 9th September 2018, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gixxer
FTFY
I was trying to be polite
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Old 13th September 2018, 08:06 PM
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So you guys really think it's pointless to buy one of these systems?
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Old 13th September 2018, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by N1ghtr08d View Post
So you guys really think it's pointless to buy one of these systems?
No, that's the exact opposite of what was said. We said they're the answer to the world's fuel problems, and their inventors discovered how to get more energy out of a system than you put into it. They've discovered perpetual motion. All you need is a garden hose and a PP9
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Old 13th September 2018, 10:04 PM
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Do you know what else I learned today.. You can live the rest of your life without breathing! Try it and see
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Old 14th September 2018, 09:01 AM
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Eh, a cursory bit of research turns up a few things on this, but they are best summarised by this:
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Old 14th September 2018, 09:28 AM
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Do you know what else I learned today.. You can live the rest of your life without breathing! Try it and see
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