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Old 22nd May 2007, 10:53 PM
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What about a no-frills CBR250RR or ZXR250? I know you won't get the two-stroke headiness but you'll get the handling and the flickability you're after and you can keep the grander metal in the garage for that day you're allowed race towards Rosslare with no work for a couple of weeks in front of you.
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Old 22nd May 2007, 11:04 PM
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Actually, I'll tell you what I really want, what I REALLY, REALLY want...

I think if you can get this right, you've got the best of both worlds!

I was at one stage sorely tempted to try this. Seen it done on an RGV chassis with the square 4 engine, but I'm just not good enough at fabrication. Still, a nice Stan Stephens tuned RG500 engine in a sweet priller frame? Drooool.
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Old 12th September 2018, 12:04 AM
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I'm bumping my first ever thread for a giggle. Still a valid and interesting discussion and 11 years later, I think very little has changed. I admit, I haven't had a chance to ride the latter day thou bikes and I'm sure they have improved but having 2 sumos and an ancient skinny tyres XJ600 has at least taught me a good bit more about 'average' handling. Also, 2 track days on the Gixxer showed that all the comments about it being a piggy in the corners were completely valid.

But seeing as over 10 years have passed, have we lost the art of the urban peg grinding, non sumo, middleweight sport bike? Is there still an adrenaline junkies bike that isn't 2T and makes you grin like a 'self-abusing ape' that isn't a sumo? Or are those days now of yore?
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Old 12th September 2018, 11:28 AM
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With compulsory ABS and heavy catalytic convertors it'd be hard to not strangle a 125/250, be as well off with a scooter, but the best modern bike for fun in the twisties would probably be the a KTM 390 Duke.

I think with large 1000cc+ superbikes and the like, you need to be a big/heavy lad to muscle them around & drag into corners, particularly at high speed where the bike just wants to keep going straight, whereas the shorter / lighter guys really notice the difference with less mass between their legs.

GSXR-750 probably hits the best balance between both handling and power, being noticeable more agile / flick-able / fun in the corners than a litre bike and good oul craic to rev the nuts off.
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Old 12th September 2018, 12:58 PM
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the shorter / lighter guys really notice the difference with less mass between their legs.
Are you saying BMA has a small penis?
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Old 12th September 2018, 01:01 PM
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Are you saying BMA has a small penis?
No...that's Chris Eubank you're thinking of.....He's along way down in the hierarchy.
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Old 12th September 2018, 01:24 PM
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.. but a long way up the road.
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Old 12th September 2018, 07:39 PM
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Here's a 600 sized litre bike that'll tick all your boxes
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Old 12th September 2018, 08:57 PM
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I’d say the closest thing recently was the Triumph Daytona 675R. High spec, narrow, easy to throw about and usable triple power - if looking for agile sportsbike, less brute force thrills. The gsxr750 is a good shout for overall balance for road/track use. More abusable engine than the bigger bikes but also less weedy than the 600s in the bottom/middle.
But the 600s were pretty much killed by euro4/5 and a lack of market. The only people buying new sportsbikes seem to be looking to spend big money for yokes specced better than a 5 year old GP bike because you know, they need to release their inner Marquez to ensure they get the freshest sausage on Sunday morning!
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Old 12th September 2018, 09:30 PM
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I hear Ducati riders love sausage on a Sunday morning.
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