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Old 16th July 2017, 06:14 PM
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Default Re: Bike accident from the cage perspective

Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
Tricky one.
The line marking went from single broken to single solid, just where the bike hit the cage. The bike rider isn't allowed to cross the single solid line, and should have seen it approaching, but he was the other side of the broken white line, not the solid one when the cage driver pulled out.
You aren't allowed to cross the solid line, and can only cross the broken one if it's safe to do so... I can't see how anyone can argue that it was safe to ride down the outside of that bus on the wrong side of the road. Surely if you've been riding for more than a day, you'd know there was a good chance that a cage or pedestrian could emerge from the left.

The biker might not be 100% wrong in court, although I reckon he would be, but he's a 100% candidate for a Darwin award nomination.
+1 Biker should be ashamed of them self. The car did nothing really wrong. Took it very gingerly. How the bike didn't brake is beyond me. Strikes me it is not just cagers who are blind. If I see two vehicles and a widening gab as in this vid, I expect a car to pull out. common fucking sense. Something quite lacking on the roads.
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Old 16th July 2017, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankkilty View Post
+1 Biker should be ashamed of them self. The car did nothing really wrong. Took it very gingerly. How the bike didn't brake is beyond me. Strikes me it is not just cagers who are blind. If I see two vehicles and a widening gab as in this vid, I expect a car to pull out. common fucking sense. Something quite lacking on the roads.

You're completely wrong, biker had been hit by the car before he realised anything had happened.
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Old 16th July 2017, 08:04 PM
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You're completely wrong, biker had been hit by the car before he realised anything had happened.
The lad on the bike was looking right at the cage and literally rode straight into it.
Classic case of target fixation
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Old 16th July 2017, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Fred Flinstone View Post
You're completely wrong, biker had been hit by the car before he realised anything had happened.
Then he must have been asleep or pissed or impaired in some other way.
Do you think because he's a biker he shouldn't have to take some responsibility for his own well-being?
Without arguing about who was right and who was wrong, anyone who wouldn't be expecting something to emerge from in front of that bus shouldn't be on the road.
It's no use being right if you're in traction or in a box.
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Old 16th July 2017, 09:38 PM
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may have had headphones in listening to the news or music or someting hence the late reaction? As an asise anyways, those headphones and/or bluetooth headsets are fkn lethal when riding esp in traffic, in my opinion.
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Old 17th July 2017, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Fred Flinstone View Post
You're completely wrong, biker had been hit by the car before he realised anything had happened.
You do realise from where the cage driver was he couldn't see the bike, but where the biker was he COULD see the cage? Now both of them are going slow enough to avoid a collision so do the math.

Anyway, all this talk about who is in the right and who is wrong is the problem with how we drive on the road. It's always somebody else's fault. Then a claim goes in and insurance goes up all round. Nobody takes any responsibility for their own riding/driving.

It doesn't matter who was in the wrong or who was in the right. Avoid the accident in the first place and don't have a banged up bike or body to worry about
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Old 17th July 2017, 06:56 PM
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Cage is in the wrong - he pulled into the bikers lane!

Biker was asleep IMO, as they could avoided collision.

But at the end of the day, cage impeded bikers lane.
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Old 18th July 2017, 09:07 AM
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Cage is in the wrong - he pulled into the bikers lane!

Biker was asleep IMO, as they could avoided collision.

But at the end of the day, cage impeded bikers lane.
So the opposite side of the road is the 'biker lane' now eh? ffs...
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Old 18th July 2017, 10:01 AM
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pulling out like that it is the drivers responsibility to ensure it is safe to do so, it really is that simple, had the bus driver pulled that polite thing of giving way for the taxi while doing his driving test he would have failed it or at least got a grade 2
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Old 18th July 2017, 10:41 AM
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pulling out like that it is the drivers responsibility to ensure it is safe to do so, it really is that simple, had the bus driver pulled that polite thing of giving way for the taxi while doing his driving test he would have failed it or at least got a grade 2
biker would've failed his test driving the way he did too - on observation skills alone
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Old 18th July 2017, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by renniks View Post
So the opposite side of the road is the 'biker lane' now eh? ffs...

The accident happened on a broken white line so yes the bike is allowed to overtake.
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Old 18th July 2017, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Frisco View Post
The accident happened on a broken white line so yes the bike is allowed to overtake.
From Rules of the Road, Section 6, page 71:

Short broken white lines along the centre of the road. These divide two lanes of traffic travelling in opposite directions.

You must not cross them unless it is safe to do so.

I cant imagine any judge that will take a side of the biker in this situation. It wasn't a safe time and place to overtake, full stop.

They are both guilty no doubt about it, I can't tell the split of course, but defo it's not 100% car driver's fault in this case, whether we like it or not.
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Old 18th July 2017, 11:11 AM
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Guy on Reddit looking for advice after he hit a bike

He posted a link to the video, in case it's someone here he hit. Top comment was telling him to take the video down so it won't be used against him.

Looks like the 28 Macken Street just of Pearse St. according to google maps, https:[email protected]..7i13312!8i6656

I see soemone mentioning wanting to give info to biker/cager. I'd say it's their normal commuting route so you could easily catch both parties at the time stamp of 5.15pm on the camera. Cars like like a Nissan Micra/Note to me from those bug eye headlights.
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Old 18th July 2017, 11:16 AM
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Looks like the 28 Macken Street just of Pearse St. according to google maps, https:[email protected]..7i13312!8i6656

I see soemone mentioning wanting to give info to biker/cager. I'd say it's their normal commuting route so you could easily catch both parties at the time stamp of 5.15pm on the camera. Cars like like a Nissan Micra/Note to me from those bug eye headlights.
Looks like a CBR600RR rider wearing black alpinestars - He could well be on here!
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Old 18th July 2017, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Weevil 2.0 View Post
From Rules of the Road, Section 6, page 71:

Short broken white lines along the centre of the road. These divide two lanes of traffic travelling in opposite directions.

You must not cross them unless it is safe to do so.

I cant imagine any judge that will take a side of the biker in this situation. It wasn't a safe time and place to overtake, full stop.

They are both guilty no doubt about it, I can't tell the split of course, but defo it's not 100% car driver's fault in this case, whether we like it or not.

It's legal to overtake and the biker could see the way was clear ahead of him, he had right of way. The cager didn't, he was pulling out onto a road without being able to see if his way was clear.

As with most insurance bullshit it will most likely come down to a % split.
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Old 18th July 2017, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Frisco View Post
It's legal to overtake and the biker could see the way was clear ahead of him, he had right of way. The cager didn't, he was pulling out onto a road without being able to see if his way was clear.

As with most insurance bullshit it will most likely come down to a % split.
There was a junction to his left that he could not see. You can't see? Don't go.

The biker is equally at fault here.
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Old 18th July 2017, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Frisco View Post
It's legal to overtake and the biker could see the way was clear ahead of him, he had right of way. The cager didn't, he was pulling out onto a road without being able to see if his way was clear.
No it wasn't safe, hence the video. If he could "see the way ahead of him" he would see the car entering from the left but he failed to see it. So it wasn't safe to overtake, was it? The road is not only a stretch in front of you. It was rather complex positioning situation to consider, especially if the local knowledge may not be up to scratch.
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Old 18th July 2017, 02:49 PM
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If you didnt filter when there was a side road in dublin you'd never filter.
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Old 18th July 2017, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Frisco View Post
If you didnt filter when there was a side road in dublin you'd never filter.
I hear you, but what about filtering only when it's safe to do so ie. knowing and seeing all the side roads, pedestrians, dogs and even shite on the road?

Each to their own, but we both know you can teach a monkey to ride a bike in a straight line, but to do it safely and swiftly for many years, takes a lot of brains inside that ol' helmet.
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Old 18th July 2017, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Frisco View Post
If you didnt filter when there was a side road in dublin you'd never filter.
And if you filter when you haven't got a notion whether anything is coming out of said side road because a big fuck off blue bus is blocking your view you're going to ride nose first into the bonnet of a cage like this plonker!
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