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Old 3rd August 2017, 12:19 AM
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Where will all this electric power come from? As a country with few natural resouces but with stable government, society, economy etc, my answer is Nuclear power. More wind power is also an option and is very successful thus far on our windswept Isle but there are limitations. Answers on a postcard please..
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Old 3rd August 2017, 05:48 AM
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Nuc plant for the aran islands!
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Old 3rd August 2017, 07:54 AM
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If they all get their shit together, it's 100% possible that this will happen and you'll see more electric motorcycles or whatever powertrain they develop in the next 10 years.

As always, the technology is there, they only need the interest on releasing it and the infrastructure to support it.

When companies start really dropping petrol cages and the need for more electric or alternative power sources arises, then you'll see a big change quickly.

Don't think for a second that all the billions of cages around will just dissapear into thin air though, it'll be like Cuba where the old cars were still running around. You might need to convert them to LPG, methanol or some kind of alternative to petrol and that's it.

Actually, they should start with public transport, trucks and that kind of shit which are the ones that consume/pollute the most.

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Old 3rd August 2017, 08:27 AM
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when the big cage manufacturers are starting to put in real effort and money into leccy stuff ( which they are even more now ) you can be sure changes are coming, they wouldn't be doing big changes without also having a discrete finger in the decision process of change as well
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Old 3rd August 2017, 12:39 PM
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The switch will happen gradually initially (unless the government puts additional pressure on) but then there will be a sudden shift to electric that will make ICE a historical curiosity. There is a significant fixed cost associated with the infrastructure required to refine, transport and distribute petrol and diesel. This cost is shared amongst all consumers. There will come a time when the number of users is not enough to keep this fixed cost low enough for each consumer relative to electric. At this point remaining petrolheads will be forced to move.

Other alternatives to electric won't succeed as cities continue to push for lower emissions. Hydrogen won't work because it's difficult to store. There will then come a point where pressure on emissions will then move to the final frontier... particulate emissions from tires and brakes.
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Old 3rd August 2017, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RTV
Don't think for a second that all the billions of cages around will just dissapear into thin air though, it'll be like Cuba where the old cars were still running around. You might need to convert them to LPG, methanol or some kind of alternative to petrol and that's it.
or convert them to electric even!
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Old 3rd August 2017, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Fred Flinstone
Instant torque, almost no maintenance required.
How are those disadvantages?

I'll admit, I've never been on an electric bike.

Main problems at the moment are batteries and charging times. Those technologies will have drastically improved in 20 years time.

Any advance in technology is met with resistance.
People don't like change.
Nooooo.your wrong .the main problem os the lifetime of the batteries and the cost of them . An ice engine could last 40 years easy if looked after . It will always have some resale value . An electric yoke with a dead battery pack is wrote off . Resale value on electric vechicles goes down the tubes as they get on .

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Old 3rd August 2017, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chopper
the main problem is the lifetime of the batteries and the cost of them
at the moment. look at the improvements in battery tech in the last 20/30 years - lead acid to li-ion, li-pol. Who's to say what leaps forward will come in the next 10 years, and how that will affect charging times, range/capacity, cost
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Old 3rd August 2017, 01:27 PM
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But that's as they are today. Look how far things have come in the last 20 years. In the next 10-20, batteries are going to get exponentially better. Especially when there is big money involved. I'm sure we'll have entire companies focused solely around renewing and replacing batteries for vehicles.
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Old 3rd August 2017, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chopper
Nooooo.your wrong .the main problem os the lifetime of the batteries and the cost of them . An ice engine could last 40 years easy if looked after . It will always have some resale value . An electric yoke with a dead battery pack is wrote off . Resale value on electric vechicles goes down the tubes as they get on .
Did I not just say the main problem is batteries?

Most people on here are talking like fossil fuels will last forever.
There's also only about 200 years of uranium left for nuclear power at current rates of usage.
Hydrogen requires electrolysis.

Do you have an alternative to electric then?
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Old 3rd August 2017, 01:58 PM
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One word: Aluminum-graphite
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Old 3rd August 2017, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by renniks
or convert them to electric even!
Well yeah, but that would be a complete drive train replacement.

Methanol or LPG you can actually convert the current engine, just need to adjust timing, and a few things to make it work :)
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Old 3rd August 2017, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RTV
Well yeah, but that would be a complete drive train replacement.

Methanol or LPG you can actually convert the current engine, just need to adjust timing, and a few things to make it work :)
I was thinking about the billions of cages when I posted that, from Chopper mentioning the old ones still going in Cuba. Much easier to convert a cage than a bike, as the bike doesn't have the space available that the cage does
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Old 3rd August 2017, 02:57 PM
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New diesel and petrol things banned from UK roads by 2040
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Old 3rd August 2017, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by renniks
I was thinking about the billions of cages when I posted that, from Chopper mentioning the old ones still going in Cuba. Much easier to convert a cage than a bike, as the bike doesn't have the space available that the cage does
Right, it can definitely be done. In Latin America there was a big conversion to LPG but cars were running on both petrol and LPG and even the big manufacturers started sending hybrids from factory.

In that future where there's no more petrol, you just use remove the petrol tank and make it an LPG or even easier a methanol. But you still get to keep combustion engine, I think that would be the way to go for the existing cages/bikes. :)
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Old 3rd August 2017, 03:08 PM
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Remove the engine, bang in a couple of electric motors linked to the regular gearbox. Couple of motor controllers, and in the space where the fuel tank once lived, stick your battery packs
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Old 3rd August 2017, 03:08 PM
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None of this shit is ever going to happen.
We'll run out of rare earth before we run out of oil, and with no rare earth you can say bye bye to all the new technology.
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Old 3rd August 2017, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Legion
None of this shit is ever going to happen.
We'll run out of rare earth before we run out of oil, and with no rare earth you can say bye bye to all the new technology.
How long before we start mining our rubbish tips for old scraps of tin cans, aluminium foil, titanium oxide
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Old 3rd August 2017, 08:12 PM
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hot swappable precharged battery packs will be available in garages. No waiting around no investment in lots of charging points, and they can easily put tax and duty on them - same as getting a cylinder of gas
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Old 3rd August 2017, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by johnpclynch
One word: Aluminum-graphite
Nobody's listening...........

Lithium related tech is approaching its last legs of development.
Graphene Super Capacitors is another one on the up.

We can all mumble grumble, but the replacement for ICE will be complete in the 2020's. Surprised its taken so long, would have to be a tech company with no ties to oil companies to really kick it on by themselves. As people move employment within different tech companies and into other start-ups, the knowledge gained will be eventually shared - as seen by some electric bike and cage companies. Will just move things on even faster.
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