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Old 14th July 2017, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by renniks
The bikers reactions were almost non-existant. Eejit should've been on the ball especially passing a bus (or van) where you can't see what may be just about to pop out from infront of it - could be a cage, could be a pram with a young child in it.
Biker would be 80% at fault in my view
at least you're not the judge in court
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Old 14th July 2017, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by frozen
we can have that conversation here because we know what it is like but it just can not be said from a cage perspective that the bike was any way in the wrong.

he may have not done 100% the right thing in terms of keeping himself safe but he can not be blamed in terms of fault. the car driver admits he did not look AT ALL it could have been a pram coming out from in front of the bus but it equally could have been guards or an ambulance doing going up the opposite lane and the micra would have hit them all because he admits he did not look right
why would a pram be filtering past the outside of a bus?!?! I meant that the biker could have hit a pram that was pushed out from in front of the bus, or pedestrian etc, and should have been anticipating something like that, not off in daydream-land
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Old 14th July 2017, 01:29 PM
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If that goes to court the biker would be lucky to get away with driving without due care and attention.
He could be done for dangerous driving.At the end of the day he was driving on the wrong side of the road.
While filtering is not illegal,it's also not legal.Could just as easy have been an i-pod zombie rather than a cage.
You should exercise an extra level of caution when passing a bus,pedestrians have been killed in such situations.
Newbies are constantly being told here to expect the unexpected,here's a classic example.
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Old 14th July 2017, 01:33 PM
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We must all drive at a speed appropriate to the conditions prevailing.

If that was a buggy pushed out in front of him he would likely be prosecuted. He should have been able to stop or riding at a speed that would allow him to stop. Passing a bus in traffic like that is like playing Russian Roulette.

There are many contributing factors but when it comes down to the onus is on drivers and riders to assess them all and drive/ride accordingly.

None of us is the judge but going off comments here there's not a chance of a one sided 100% liability in that incident.
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Old 14th July 2017, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by frozen
I have downloaded the video but don't know how to save all the comments on reddit about it.. massive admission of guilt there
Easiest way to do it is hit PrtScn and then paste into a word doc. You wont have a file but will have a photo of whats written on the screen. Make sure to close all porn tabs first on your browser.
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Old 14th July 2017, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by renniks
why would a pram be filtering past the outside of a bus?!?! I meant that the biker could have hit a pram that was pushed out from in front of the bus, or pedestrian etc, and should have been anticipating something like that, not off in daydream-land
I think I typed it wrong I meant that equally as he could have hit a pram coming from where the micra was, the micra could have hit an ambulance etc or anything as he admitted he did not look right at all.

biker could done all the things people here are suggesting but at the end of the day the cage driver admitting he was not looking right at all it was only a matter of time before he hit someone

it is important everyone who sees the video is reminded why we all waste our time slowing down when a gap like that forms in traffic. the biker learned that lesson the hard way but that doesn't change the simple fact that the cage driver admitted he did not look right. it is fucked up beyond belief that people are mixing up fault in an accident with what the bike could have done to avoid the accident.

for what it's worth I am always more careful than the bike in the video but everyone can make mistakes, there have been times where I've missed something as obvious as that situation where I could have been in a bad situation. thankfully I wasn't punished for it... nobody is perfect on the bike

so everyone can say what they want about what the bike should do in that situation to be safer (not get into that situation at all) but in terms of fault the simple fact is cage driver has admitted he didn't look right, case closed
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Old 14th July 2017, 01:58 PM
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Doesn't close the case at all.

Was it reasonable for the driver to expect someone coming up the outside who would not be carefully looking out for pedestrians and able to stop?

He assessed his main risk as being from his left and was being careful about how he was emerging.

Do we not learn to look and see what way the driver is looking?
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Old 14th July 2017, 02:07 PM
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When I see these accidents I don't think "its 100% cagers fault" I first think is the rider OK then I look at what he could have done to protect/prevent himself from the accident because the standard of cage driving is getting worse everyday now, don't get me started about cyclists !!!!

My opinion is that when filtering especially by the bus as you can't see over or thru the bus he should have either slowed right down when he was reaching the front of the bus or should have moved more into the centre of the opposite lane (providing nothing was oncoming) giving a better viewing angle and more space to avoid the cage.

As others have said it could have been a pedestrian, buggy etc etc. 200% concetration has to be given when filtering, thats Macken street and I've gone down that street many a time and there is all types of traffic coming from everywhere as its a busy junction ahead and a lot of houses & flats. I always filter down that street in the middle of the opposite lane.

Like I said above hope the rider is OK
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Old 14th July 2017, 02:11 PM
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the driver admits he didn't reasonably expect anything to come from the right because he had been doing this turn for 6 months and was only looking left

if I position myself badly at a junction so that I can not see properly and I pull out causing an accident am I at fault because I couldn't see them? Yes, would the person I hit have any blame by going to fast / badly positioned themselves, no they wouldn't yet they could still avoid the accident with their reactions. that is self preservation stuff nothing to do with fault in an accident IMO.
the cage should have considered the fact the bus would be blocking their view, but that didn't occur to him because all he wanted to do was get out and didn't have any intention of looking right again by his own admission

I don't want to keep going on and on about this so we can agree to disagree slightly. the bike could have driven differently and this wouldn't have even been a near miss but he fucked up and got punished but that doesn't make it 80% his fault as was suggested here that is what i am disagreeing with
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Old 14th July 2017, 02:26 PM
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Tricky one.
The line marking went from single broken to single solid, just where the bike hit the cage. The bike rider isn't allowed to cross the single solid line, and should have seen it approaching, but he was the other side of the broken white line, not the solid one when the cage driver pulled out.
You aren't allowed to cross the solid line, and can only cross the broken one if it's safe to do so... I can't see how anyone can argue that it was safe to ride down the outside of that bus on the wrong side of the road. Surely if you've been riding for more than a day, you'd know there was a good chance that a cage or pedestrian could emerge from the left.

The biker might not be 100% wrong in court, although I reckon he would be, but he's a 100% candidate for a Darwin award nomination.
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Old 14th July 2017, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by frozen
I don't want to keep going on and on about this so we can agree to disagree slightly. the bike could have driven differently and this wouldn't have even been a near miss but he fucked up and got punished but that doesn't make it 80% his fault as was suggested here that is what i am disagreeing with
So then, leaving aside the driver admitting he didn't look right, what way would you divvy up the blame between the two parties?
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Old 14th July 2017, 02:46 PM
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So then, leaving aside the driver admitting he didn't look right, what way would you divvy up the blame between the two parties?
blame from insurance payout point of view car at fault 100% bike should not have a claim against him at all

blame if I was on the bike I'd blame myself 100% for day dreaming.

last night I had something similar on the road, I was behind box [email protected] and he exited onto a slip road at the last second over the hatching marks, cage waiting to turn across my path saw him turn and being frustrated they were held up by him being in the wrong lane pulled out straight away across me. I was stupidly unaware the [email protected] was hiding me but still paying enough attention that I easily braked and it wasn't a big deal with them coming across my path.. that's all I'm thinking of when seeing this accident on film. cage in the wrong but bike could have avoided by being on the top of the situation with awareness.. but it just takes a split second, you have to give him some slack
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Old 14th July 2017, 02:58 PM
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I hate being behind either a van/truck/bus in traffic - as you can't 'see through' them like you can with cages, and can't see what is happening up ahead. Or as frozen said, neither can opposing traffic see you.
Lessons to be learnt all round from the vid though, that's for sure
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Old 14th July 2017, 03:07 PM
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Unfortunate really - the guy on the bike looked a right tool there though. Day dreaming passing a bus and no reaction at all even when the car crawled out
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Old 14th July 2017, 03:20 PM
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It was definitely bad filtering from the biker but the car pulled out when he had no way of knowing it was clear so he was at fault.
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Old 14th July 2017, 05:04 PM
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same happened to the other half a good few years ago, insurance company deemed it her fault as she had crossed the white line driving on the other side of the road's lane.
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Old 14th July 2017, 06:26 PM
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Looks like everybody screwed up here.

Road planner didn't put in a yellow box.

Silver car blocked the direct path.

Bus driver left a dangerously inviting space.The least he should have done was to watch his right mirror and put his hand out to stop the motorcyclist.

The car involved should not have used that particular gap to make his manoeuver as it was not safe to do so. It was not a direct line and he could never have gotten the angle to see to the right. He also used an incorrect technique of just rolling forward until he could see or hit something.He should have inched and stopped , inched and stopped . This would have allowed the motorcyclist time to stop.

I have witnessed such an accident in the past on the Kylemore Road and the attending Guard told me that unless the motorcyclist was over taking the bus on a continuous white line the car driver was fully responsible.

Besides a court will normally side for the injured party.
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Old 14th July 2017, 08:11 PM
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always carfefull myself of passing busses , just in case a pedestrian nobbs out
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Old 16th July 2017, 03:26 AM
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Will never never forget the advert showing the two legs bursting into a run from behind a bus. Always look behind the back wheel now... pure habit.

In any event... I got hit a while back from a cage driver, broke my rear lens at worst. we had a discussion: I suggested how much a second hand lens would cost, she said sorry, gave me 50 quid. I went home (On me own)

Why do we have a full investigation on what the courts would do, what the Guards would say, the taxi.. who had fuck all to do with it other than not being courteous.
Nobody, I believe was sent to prison, or met their maker. yet we are making preparations for war. Not even the victims war, The war of solicitors who are in a league of their own, in conjunction with insurance Co's. who all make money EXCEPT the two individuals.

Sue him, hide the evidence, Bias of the incident based on publicised footage, claim for ... Everything


Bike: , yup ... few bits, bust me arm,
Cage: Figure ? OK... Here you go, really really sorry...
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Er can't afford it .. Sorry I hit a bike, My fault.. details xyz
Ins: OK fix the bike, send us a bill, and let us know how much the 6 Week holiday cost.
Assessor.. Nah.. few bits OK, or Yup.. 3K
OK sorry, hows the arm, cya.
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Old 16th July 2017, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by acdc
always carfefull myself of passing busses , just in case a pedestrian nobbs out
That says it all.
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