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[quote=Gixxer;2652028]A magnet can't turn them without something turning the magnet, and the energy it takes to turn the magnet, which in turn, turns the motor, will always be greater than the energy you create.

A magnet can only move something so far, then it meets an opposing force that's exactly equal and exactly opposite, and everything stops moving. (without a greater force to overcome it)[/quote]

with electro magnets maybe but what about permanent magnets?

how about this gismo!
it only needs starting with power then powers its self
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[quote=Slaon;2652029]and those of us that do actually put up mileage? and use all roads? .... were do we fit in to this great plan?

Of course we have still to get to any of the other users of petroleum products either, where are the plans for the battery powered vehicles that haul all these batteries around the world? Do you have plans to hop onboard a battery powered passenger flight anytime soon?

Simple fact is batteries replacing petroleum is not viable, its not going to be viable for a long time, and with any luck something better will be developed before it could ever become viable ...... battery power is a novel idea and may be viable for the ecofriendly city commuter but its real world value outside of that is limited[/quote]

you fit in by adapting simple as!
when you cant get petrol what are you going to do except watch electric bikes pass you by!

these electric powered vehicles that hall batteries around the world as you say only have to deliver them once dont they!
its not as if they will be doing laps now is it?:rolleyes2:
if you knew anything about jet engines and passenger flights then you would know they dont run on petrol although they can!
jet engines will burn almost anything look them up :thumbsup2:
so there isnt a big problem there!
gas! batteries are a novel idea yet we are surrounded by them at every minute of every day!
ah ye they are only a fad like :bag:
the world is only using petrol 100 years but man managed to survive till now didnt we!
just because its the first choice doesnt mean its the only choice!

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652030]with electro magnets maybe but what about permanent magnets?

how about this gismo!
it only needs starting with power then powers its self

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Permanent magnets can't do anything on their own apart from push an opposing (like pole) away, or pull an opposite pole towards itself, and it can only do that until the next magnet approaches, (or the same one rotetes towards its original position), and then it gets pushed in the opposite direction.
For the magnet to push (or pull) something, whatever the magnet is attached to must exert a force (in the case of a motor, a rotational force), that is greater than the opposing force, or nothing moves, and because no generator can be efficient, you can't produce enough energy to even come close to providing the driving force with enough energy to evercome the opposing force from the generator.
Even if it was possible to build a 100% efficient generator, the energy lost to friction would still mean it couldn't work.

That video is nonsense... they have a power source hidden elsewhere.

Even if you believe that the governments would hide the technology, someone (maybe one of those people in the youtube videos) would become the richest man on the planet overnight.

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[quote=Gixxer;2652038]Permanent magnets can't do anything on their own apart from push an opposing (like pole) away, or pull an opposite pole towards itself, and it can only do that until the next magnet approaches, (or the same one rotetes towards its original position), and then it gets pushed in the opposite direction.
For the magnet to push (or pull) something, whatever the magnet is attached to must exert a force (in the case of a motor, a rotational force), that is greater than the opposing force, or nothing moves, and because no generator can be efficient, you can't produce enough energy to even come close to providing the driving force with enough energy to evercome the opposing force from the generator.
Even if it was possible to build a 100% efficient generator, the energy lost to friction would still mean it couldn't work.

That video is nonsense... they have a power source hidden elsewhere.

Even if you believe that the governments would hide the technology, someone (maybe one of those people in the youtube videos) would become the richest man on the planet overnight.[/quote]

all that says is it can be done!
you just need to suss out how but its not impossible!
either way no matter watt electricity is easier to produce than an explosive gas!
if it wasnt then your whole life would be petrol driven but its not!

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652042]all that says is it can be done!
you just need to suss out how but its not impossible!
either way no matter watt electricity is easier to produce than an explosive gas!
if it wasnt then your whole life would be petrol driven but its not!

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Well, actually... no, what it's saying is that it [B]can't[/B] be done :D

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:


But joking aside... that sums up how ridiculous the idea is :thumbsup2:

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[quote=Gixxer;2652045]Well, actually... no, what it's saying is that it [B]can't[/B] be done :D




:rofl::rofl::rofl:


But joking aside... that sums up how ridiculous the idea is :thumbsup2:[/quote]

the petrol engine is a dying breed no matter how much we all love it!
every manufacturer in the world is investing in electric vehicles and its only a matter of time before its right!
the TTX race is only the start of it!
thats just the powers that be let private entries to the research for them!
its already working it just needs perfecting!
see how ridiculous you all feel when its ready!

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652032]
if you knew anything about jet engines and passenger flights then you would know they dont run on petrol although they can!
jet engines will burn almost anything look them up :thumbsup2:
so there isnt a big problem there!
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I said fook all about them running on petrol, I said petroleum products, aka refined from crude oil, the same stuff everyday petrol and diesel is being refined from, they run on aviation fuel which is petroleum based, so as long unless your magic batteries are going to replace petroleum based fuels in ALL forms of transport across the board then it is a non runner as a petroleum replacement.
And unless any of the "almost anything" other fuels that jet engines can burn is NOT petroleum based then your point is meaningless because no matter what it's the same crude oil coming out of the ground to create it

Now it's almost 5 in the morning, that's close enough to bed time, I'll get back to the rest of your reply later

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[quote=Slaon;2652049]I said fook all about them running on petrol, I said petroleum products, aka refined from crude oil, the same stuff everyday petrol and diesel is being refined from, they run on aviation fuel which is petroleum based, so as long unless your magic batteries are going to replace petroleum based fuels in ALL forms of transport across the board then it is a non runner as a petroleum replacement.
And unless any of the "almost anything" other fuels that jet engines can burn is NOT petroleum based then your point is meaningless because no matter what it's the same crude oil coming out of the ground to create it

Now it's almost 5 in the morning, that's close enough to bed time, I'll get back to the rest of your reply later[/quote]

thats piss!
a jet or diesel engine will run on peanut oil you can even empty your chip pan into either engine so thats that one arse out window isnt it!

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652030]with electro magnets maybe but what about permanent magnets?

how about this gismo!
it only needs starting with power then powers its self

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What have you been drinking mate?
Go back and read your physics 101.....

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652048]the petrol engine is a dying breed no matter how much we all love it!
every manufacturer in the world is investing in electric vehicles and its only a matter of time before its right!
the TTX race is only the start of it!
thats just the powers that be let private entries to the research for them!
its already working it just needs perfecting!
see how ridiculous you all feel when its ready![/quote]


But nothing is 'already working' :thumbsup2:

Energy in == energy out, which means the energy you put into something is exactly the same as you take out, but when generating electricity, a large percentage of that energy is transformed into (see 'wasted as') heat.

Unfortunately, there's no such thing as 'free' energy :thumbsup2:

Of course we're going to reach a stage where we're going to have to rely on electric transport, but it's most likely going to be done by combining hydrogen and oxygen and, which will create an electrical charge and the only byproduct will be water. It's the cleanest fuel cell we have at the moment. The only downfall is the cost of hydrogen (and the catalysts), but if we have no petrol, then that becomes a non-issue :thumbsup2:

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[quote=Gixxer;2652052]But nothing is 'already working' :thumbsup2:

Energy in == energy out, which means the energy you put into something is exactly the same as you take out, but when generating electricity, a large percentage of that energy is transformed into (see 'wasted as') heat.

Unfortunately, there's no such thing as 'free' energy :thumbsup2:

Of course we're going to reach a stage where we're going to have to rely on electric transport, but it's most likely going to be done by combining hydrogen and oxygen and, which will create an electrical charge and the only byproduct will be water. It's the cleanest fuel cell we have at the moment. The only downfall is the cost of hydrogen (and the catalysts), but if we have no petrol, then that becomes a non-issue :thumbsup2:[/quote]

they are already on the go too!
tis still in the electric bike department tho isnt it!
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Brilliant mate ....PMSL here

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652053]they are already on the go too!
tis still in the electric bike department tho isnt it!

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Yup, hydrogen fuel cells have been on the go for years, but they produce about as much power as a good guinness fart, and push bike would be nearly as fast.

Unfortunately, the reason we're not riding around on bikes with an alternative fuel source to petrol, is because the technology hasn't been invented yet that can come even close in terms of power output... apart from LiPo batteries, which are massively more expensive and about as green as a hun :D

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[quote=Baby face;2652051]What have you been drinking mate?
Go back and read your physics 101.....[/quote]

is that the best contribution you can make to the thread ye :rolleyes2:
we are never going to fix the worlds energy problems in one little thread on biker.ie but sitting around saying how much you love petrol isnt going to drive you to work in the future is it!
Im not on my own here!
Honda are throwing millions into research in electric power at the moment!

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[quote=Gixxer;2652056]Yup, hydrogen fuel cells have been on the go for years, but they produce about as much power as a good guinness fart, and push bike would be nearly as fast.

Unfortunately, the reason we're not riding around on bikes with an alternative fuel source to petrol, is because the technology hasn't been invented yet that can come even close in terms of power output... apart from LiPo batteries, which are massively more expensive and about as green as a hun :D[/quote]

Well the powers that be dont want us going to fast anyway so unless we come up with a better idea we will be wafting about on these things soon enough!
if I had the cash handy Id be having one of those merican ones in a snip!
the juice money saved on local trips would go a long way on the bigger spins!

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652057]is that the best contribution you can make to the thread ye :rolleyes2:
we are never going to fix the worlds energy problems in one little thread on biker.ie but sitting around saying how much you love petrol isnt going to drive you to work in the future is it!
Im not on my own here!
[B]Honda are throwing millions into research in electric power at the moment![/B][/quote]

They should have just had a word with one of those rednecks on youtube... they could have put them straight in 10 minutes :D

We are going to see an end to fossil fuels (well, not us, but future generations will), and we'll have to start using electricity, but at that stage, private motor vehicles will probably have been banned. :thumbsup2:

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[quote=Gixxer;2652059]They should have just had a word with one of those rednecks on youtube... they could have put them straight in 10 minutes :D

We are going to see an end to fossil fuels (well, not us, but future generations will), and we'll have to start using electricity, but at that stage, private motor vehicles will probably have been banned. :thumbsup2:[/quote]

your a smart man :thumbsup2:
at least one of yiz get it!
no matter where the power comes from it will be electric motors that power us IF they havent taken the roads in like in father ted :lbhbh:
things dont make themselves it takes yeas of development so we have to start now!
Honda just might be onto something good as they havent as yet released spec on this thing and they wont untill TT time :thumbsup2:

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652057]is that the best contribution you can make to the thread ye :rolleyes2:
we are never going to fix the worlds energy problems in one little thread on biker.ie but sitting around saying how much you love petrol isnt going to drive you to work in the future is it!
Im not on my own here!
Honda are throwing millions into research in electric power at the moment![/quote]

Never said I loved petrol.
I was referring to the shite you posted about magnets being the fookin future !

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[quote=Baby face;2652061]Never said I loved petrol.
I was referring to the shite you posted about magnets being the fookin future ![/quote]

electric motors are!
what ever powers them doesnt give a fuck!
just a typical thread getting side tracked!
and if not for boggers living in the middle of nowhere it wouldnt have went any further than the bikes you can already buy with 100 mile range and they will only improve!