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[quote=Vjmc.Cork;2651755]I agree with ya about L bikes.When I started out in the 80s there was loads of choice for small bikes.
Seems like now the only option is chinky.Thats gonna put off a lot of lads,
if theyre gonna be throwing money at them yokes trying to keep on the road:thumbsup2:[/quote]
licence problems , insurance costs thats the problem history repeats , 60`s 80`s 2002 , bikes are better , dealers doing their level best ,bike gear is better , roads are better etc etc , licence confusion and diffculity why bother , insurance costs too much , been there twice it cost me my business and job

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[quote=scottser32;2651237]im 21 and only start biking mainly for the buzz but its also cause its alot cheaper then cages with the petrol and tax and cost of a great bike compared to a car is far better. im on a cbr400 and it cost me 1200 (provisional licence + 0 years no claims) insurance and 83 for tax when i had a cage which was a a decent enough yolk the insurance was 1500 and tax was around 120 for the year and it drank petrol compared to the cbr and the cbr would leave it in the dust. after tellin a few of me mates there looking into gettin into biking and one already has bought a cbr400, 2 other lads i know one 21 has a z750 and another whos 22 has a moto x thing so i think its the way t go for young lads[/quote]

took the bike down to cork on the motorway not long ago...bout 30 quid on petrol (before prices went mental). Took the cage, 1.9 litre diesel down...cost me bout the same :p I wouldnt consider the bike much cheaper these days, not for a decent sized one anyway. Living and working in the city i couldnt see myself ever switching to a cage for practical reasons more than anything. Not to mention that I love getting out for a spin. Sports tourers like the yoke i have i reckon are the best choice for irish roads, suspension doesnt kill yer arse, tis a grand commuter, and still great craic on the country roads the rest of the time :thumbsup2:

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[quote=onetwomany;2651944]took the bike down to cork on the motorway not long ago...bout 30 quid on petrol (before prices went mental). Took the cage, 1.9 litre diesel down...cost me bout the same :p I wouldnt consider the bike much cheaper these days, not for a decent sized one anyway. Living and working in the city i couldnt see myself ever switching to a cage for practical reasons more than anything. Not to mention that I love getting out for a spin. Sports tourers like the yoke i have i reckon are the best choice for irish roads, suspension doesnt kill yer arse, tis a grand commuter, and still great craic on the country roads the rest of the time :thumbsup2:[/quote]
i found any bike over 400cc cost more to run than a small cage ,but going through traffic on the bike made up for it , i use the m50 the bike saves me on the toll that helps

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[quote=Gixxer;2651734]Oh look, someone has managed to break the laws of physics :lbhbh:

You can't get more energy out of something than you put into it... that video (and all those 'magnet motor' videos) is a load of bollocks :thumbsup2:[/quote]

How are they a load of bollocks?
so a magnet can lift a train or pic up a bus but in cant spin a wheel?
are you on drugs or what?
your average alternator put out 300-360 volts before it hits the reg and thats only charging a 12V battery like!
the same alternator can easily be spun by a magnet!
its not rocket science, its the same thing a generator does without the need for a petrol engine!
do yourself a favor and read up on Nikola Tesla :thumbsup2:
its very easy to make your own electricity but most people think like you think its witch craft!

[ame]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2188562935002257117[/ame] :thumbsup2:

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652002]How are they a load of bollocks?
so a magnet can lift a train or pic up a bus but in cant spin a wheel?
are you on drugs or what?
your average alternator put out 300-360 volts before it hits the reg and thats only charging a 12V battery like!
the same alternator can easily be spun by a magnet!
its not rocket science, its the same thing a generator does without the need for a petrol engine!
do yourself a favor and read up on Nikola Tesla :thumbsup2:
its very easy to make your own electricity but most people think like you think its witch craft!


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Magnets can't pick anything up on their own, they need an opposing force that's greater than the effect of gravity on the mass you're trying to lift :thumbsup2:

Do yourself a favour and read up on conservation of energy :thumbsup2:

You should stay away from the drugs if you think magnets have some sort of magical power that can create energy out of nothing :thumbsup2:

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[quote=Gixxer;2652004]Magnets can't pick anything up on their own, they need an opposing force that's greater than the effect of gravity on the mass you're trying to lift :thumbsup2:

Do yourself a favour and read up on conservation of energy :thumbsup2:

You should stay away from the drugs if you think magnets have some sort of magical power that can create energy out of nothing :thumbsup2:[/quote]

well going by how fast you replied you obviously didnt watch the video so you aren't willing to learn are ye :rolleyes2:
your just taking the word of the people selling you energy!
Im well up on the conversion of energy and if you were you would know that about 80% of the energy produced by petrol is lost..
why do you think the hybrid is the way forward now???
its self generating energy that is normally lost...
its not magical power but its funny how electric magnet driven motors power everything!
it starts your bike it charges your bike and if you use the electric motor on your bike to start it and drive up to turlough hill and have a look at the magnet driven motors that are powering the country :rolleyes2:

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[ame]
To view pics on this biker's forum - your post count must be 2 or greater.
going nowhere, we're fucked!

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[quote=jellikit;2652008]
To view pics on this biker's forum - your post count must be 2 or greater.


going nowhere, we're fucked![/quote]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs&ob=av3e[/ame]

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652009]
To view pics on this biker's forum - your post count must be 2 or greater.
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lol!

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2651692]But just like any fuel station why could we not have battery stations?
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Eh ... because battery stations as numerous as petrol stations all around the world with an endless supply of batteries, would require a fookin awefull lot of mines for such wonderfull metals such as Lead, cadmium, Lithium, Nickel, Zinc, Mercury ... or whatever the fook else they decide to make the batteries from.


The greenies get freaked out if ya they hear ya leave the televison on standby with the wee light on the button lit FFS ......... yet fookloads of stations endlessly fast charging banks of batteries is good :unsure2:

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[quote=Slaon;2652011]Eh ... because battery stations as numerous as petrol stations all around the world with an endless supply of batteries, would require a fookin awefull lot of mines for such wonderfull metals such as Lead, cadmium, Lithium, Nickel, Zinc, Mercury ... or whatever the fook else they decide to make the batteries from.


The greenies get freaked out if ya they hear ya leave the televison on standby with the wee light on the button lit FFS ......... yet fookloads of stations endlessly fast charging banks of batteries is good :unsure2:[/quote]

EH PANTS!
how many fucked batteries get fucked in the bin every day?
how many old phones have you fucked in a draw?
the metals in ALL batteries are recyclable petrol isnt...
and you charge batteries like ye dont throw them away :doh:

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652013]EH PANTS!
how many fucked batteries get fucked in the bin every day?
how many old phones have you fucked in a draw?
the metals in ALL batteries are recyclable petrol isnt...
and you charge batteries like ye dont throw them away :doh:[/quote]

how much does it cost to change the batteries in a hybrid cage?
doesnt the fast charge stations shorten the life of the batteries by about 50%?
in a battery powered cage how long would it take to get from cork to Dublin and back again? even if we had the fast charge stations at every petrol station?
and all the green hypocrites on about saving the planet, when a hybrid cage does more damage to our planet before it even gets onto our roads than a normal cage will do in its lifetime.

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652013]EH PANTS!
how many fucked batteries get fucked in the bin every day?
how many old phones have you fucked in a draw?
the metals in ALL batteries are recyclable petrol isnt...
and you charge batteries like ye dont throw them away :doh:[/quote]

So endless recycling plants (magic ones with feck all pollution of course) to go along with all these service stations?

FFS, if the problem is pollution and a depleted resource, then mining rare metals and creating different forms of pollution is hardly a fecking solution :wassat:


[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652013]
how many fucked batteries get fucked in the bin every day?
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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652013]
and you charge batteries like ye dont throw them away :doh:[/quote]

OK now you have completely lost me... they get fooked in the bin, or you dont throw them away ... which one is it?:unsure2:

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[quote=07yzfr1;2652018]how much does it cost to change the batteries in a hybrid cage?
doesnt the fast charge stations shorten the life of the batteries by about 50%?
in a battery powered cage how long would it take to get from cork to Dublin and back again? even if we had the fast charge stations at every petrol station?
and all the green hypocrites on about saving the planet, when a hybrid cage does more damage to our planet before it even gets onto our roads than a normal cage will do in its lifetime.[/quote]

its not all about saving the planet but petrol is getting unaffordable unsustainable and just wait till the next middle east war and see if its even viable!
and eh a hybrid cage charges its own batteries like :rolleyes2:

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[quote=Slaon;2652020]So endless recycling plants (magic ones with feck all pollution of course) to go along with all these service stations?

FFS, if the problem is pollution and a depleted resource, then mining rare metals and creating different forms of pollution is hardly a fecking solution :wassat:






OK now you have completely lost me... they get fooked in the bin, or you dont throw them away ... which one is it?:unsure2:[/quote]

fuck pollution getting the juice is the problem!
if you dont fuck away tons of batteries everyday you will have them to recycle wont ye :rolleyes2:
ffs you do it with your milk cartons so why not with precious metals?
that was just a ridicules reply :bag:

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652021]its not all about saving the planet but petrol is getting unaffordable unsustainable and just wait till the next middle east war and see if its even viable!
and eh a hybrid cage charges its own batteries like :rolleyes2:[/quote]

they do charge there own batteries in hybrids true, but I asked on a battery powered cage how long would it take to get from cork to Dublin and back again? Even with the quick charge stations.
and a set of batteries for a hybrid must be changed every 3/5 years (to the best of my knowledge not 100%) at a cost of around €3000 and they might charge themselves but they only work at speeds less than 50kph and on a motorway its just a petrol powered cage and a thirsty enough one at that.
these made up mpg figures are not acheiveable in the real world and are carried out in a test facility on a rolling road, where there are no hills and a perfect consistant speed.

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652007]well going by how fast you replied you obviously didnt watch the video so you aren't willing to learn are ye :rolleyes2:
your just taking the word of the people selling you energy!
Im well up on the conversion of energy and if you were you would know that about 80% of the energy produced by petrol is lost..
why do you think the hybrid is the way forward now???
its self generating energy that is normally lost...
its not magical power but its funny how electric magnet driven motors power everything!
it starts your bike it charges your bike and if you use the electric motor on your bike to start it and drive up to turlough hill and have a look at the magnet driven motors that are powering the country :rolleyes2:[/quote]

LOL... I know all about Tesla and his work :D

Magnet [B][I]driven[/I][/B] motors aren't powering anything. Something is powering the motor/alternator/generator, whether it's wind, water, steam or farts, it doesn't matter, but the motors can't power themselves.

Have a drive up to turlough hill and take the blades off one of those things and see how long it keeps generating electricity.

Do you drink with Jim Corr by any chance? :lbhbh:

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[quote=07yzfr1;2652024]they do charge there own batteries in hybrids true, but I asked on a battery powered cage how long would it take to get from cork to Dublin and back again? Even with the quick charge stations.
and a set of batteries for a hybrid must be changed every 3/5 years (to the best of my knowledge not 100%) at a cost of around €3000 and they might charge themselves but they only work at speeds less than 50kph and on a motorway its just a petrol powered cage and a thirsty enough one at that.
these made up mpg figures are not acheiveable in the real world and are carried out in a test facility on a rolling road, where there are no hills and a perfect consistant speed.[/quote]

I dont know a lot about cages so cant answer that but if you go back on the thread you will see there are already bikes for sale in the US with a 100 mile range..
and not everybody drives from cork to dublin every day so its practical to about 99% of the drivers on the road!
not only that but most normal working people could go half their life without ever seeing a motorway!

[quote=Gixxer;2652026]LOL... I know all about Tesla and his work :D

Magnet [B][I]driven[/I][/B] motors aren't powering anything. Something is powering the motor/alternator/generator, whether it's wind, water, steam or farts, it doesn't matter, but the motors can't power themselves.

Have a drive up to turlough hill and take the blades off one of those things and see how long it keeps generating electricity.

Do you drink with Jim Corr by any chance? :lbhbh:[/quote]

I did have a pint with him once!
I never said motors where powering themselves that just idiotic to even suggest!
but these motors are being turned by farts and steam and wind but you say that a magnet cant turn them but the wind can :rolleyes2:

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652027]I dont know a lot about cages so cant answer that but if you go back on the thread you will see there are already bikes for sale in the US with a 100 mile range..
and not everybody drives from cork to dublin every day so its practical to about 99% of the drivers on the road!
not only that but most normal working people could go half their life without ever seeing a motorway!



I did have a pint with him once!
I never said motors where powering themselves that just idiotic to even suggest!
but these motors are being turned by farts and steam and wind but you say that a magnet cant turn them but the wind can :rolleyes2:[/quote]

A magnet can't turn them without something turning the magnet, and the energy it takes to turn the magnet, which in turn, turns the motor, will always be greater than the energy you create.

A magnet can only move something so far, then it meets an opposing force that's exactly equal and exactly opposite, and everything stops moving. (without a greater force to overcome it)

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[quote=LittleBlackBlade;2652027]
and not everybody drives from cork to dublin every day so its practical to about 99% of the drivers on the road!
not only that but most normal working people could go half their life without ever seeing a motorway!
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and those of us that do actually put up mileage? and use all roads? .... were do we fit in to this great plan?

Of course we have still to get to any of the other users of petroleum products either, where are the plans for the battery powered vehicles that haul all these batteries around the world? Do you have plans to hop onboard a battery powered passenger flight anytime soon?

Simple fact is batteries replacing petroleum is not viable, its not going to be viable for a long time, and with any luck something better will be developed before it could ever become viable ...... battery power is a novel idea and may be viable for the ecofriendly city commuter but its real world value outside of that is limited