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menapia dude 16th March 2012 03:33 PM

trike build
 
well folks i was thinking of trying a trike build any info on axles or motors suited wud be great

dom666 16th March 2012 04:45 PM

Re: trike build
 
Any shaft drive bike engine xs 1100 xj 750 cx 500 etc,plus a rear wheel drive
cage axle and diff f##d sierra etc.Sorry for the cage talk all.

sidecarwillie 16th March 2012 05:52 PM

Re: trike build
 
the trike issue comes up every now and then. the problem is paperwork. afaik you cannot register a home built trike, the only option is to buy a cheap one in uk then just build away using the frame no on whatever you build. best of luck.a chap i know is starting a trike project using a v8 lexus, mint cage bought for 500 euro, rwd .

the landshark 16th March 2012 07:20 PM

Re: trike build
 
Modify an already registered bike and then send off a change of particulars form,
Hardtail, while probably easier to engineer, is not a great option on irish roads,
I used an XS 750 with a solid cage rear axle for my last one, some laugh in the snow last year though,
If i build another it will have a double wishbone, disc brakes, limited slip diff and an anti roll bar, oh an a reversing system of some kind

Prunty 16th March 2012 07:34 PM

Re: trike build
 
Funny I was flicking through the UK e-bay the night before last and there was a guy from up north selling a trike frame registered with the UK V5 and all, sounded perfect for your job. However I've have a look there again I don't see it, must have sold...

Gixxer 16th March 2012 07:36 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=jim'll break it;2650153]Modify an already registered bike and then send off a change of particulars form,
Hardtail, while probably easier to engineer, is not a great option on irish roads,
I used an XS 750 with a solid cage rear axle for my last one, some laugh in the snow last year though,
If i build another it will have a double wishbone, disc brakes, limited slip diff and an anti roll bar, oh an a reversing system of some kind[/quote]

Yeah, a limited slip diff would be fun :D

A 12V starter motor connected to the prop shaft or the diff via a sprag clutch would do for reversing.

Garda Poxbottle 16th March 2012 07:39 PM

Re: trike build
 
if you do it make sure and take loads of pictures for us :biggrin_old:

scottser32 16th March 2012 08:14 PM

Re: trike build
 
sorry for the cage talk, but i know that vw beetles are regularly used for trikes i think your man used one of them on "a bike is born" for the trike prject

Gixxer 16th March 2012 08:33 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=scottser32;2650225]sorry for the cage talk, but i know that vw beetles are regularly used for trikes i think your man used one of them on "a bike is born" for the trike prject[/quote]

They're for people who haven't got the imagination to build a real one :D

the landshark 16th March 2012 08:41 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=Gixxer;2650244]They're for people who haven't got the imagination to build a real one :D[/quote]

Amen to that, plus they're so arse heavy that they have real problems steering when on the throttle, now theres a certain rear engined rwd jap cage that ive always thought would be a savage place to start,
that or a leyland L60 or napier deltic:tease:

scottser32 16th March 2012 09:03 PM

Re: trike build
 
sorry lads i aint up with the trike building, thanks for the knowledg tho if i ever do decide to build one ill be sure to keep that in mind :thumbsup2:

Gixxer 16th March 2012 09:36 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=jim'll break it;2650257]Amen to that, plus they're so arse heavy that they have real problems steering when on the throttle, now theres a certain rear engined rwd jap cage that ive always thought would be a savage place to start,
that or a [B]leyland L60[/B] or napier deltic:tease:[/quote]

:lbhbh:

:thumbsup2:

My old fella is building a trike with a 1300cc turbo lump in it... should be fun :lbhbh:

cocoa 16th March 2012 10:06 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=Gixxer;2650244]They're for people who haven't got the imagination to build a real one :D[/quote]

i can imagine loads of super machines but its not enough, i think ability and finance play a part along the way.

the landshark 16th March 2012 11:20 PM

Re: trike build
 
a welder, some steel and some time, thats most of it, and the triangle rule for strength

slyderx 17th March 2012 10:56 AM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=cocoa;2650365]i can imagine loads of super machines but its not enough, i think ability and finance play a part along the way.[/quote]

i think safety is the main factor. that was a boom trike kit which was excellent quality. If you want check out 100% Biker for axle kits. but remember you got to get it insured and registered so an engineers report/cert will be necessary at the end of the day.

sidecarwillie 17th March 2012 06:30 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=jim'll break it;2650153]Modify an already registered bike and then send off a change of particulars form,
Hardtail, while probably easier to engineer, is not a great option on irish roads,
I used an XS 750 with a solid cage rear axle for my last one, some laugh in the snow last year though,
If i build another it will have a double wishbone, disc brakes, limited slip diff and an anti roll bar, oh an a reversing system of some kind[/quote]

didnt know about change of particulars, thanks for that.

menapia dude 19th March 2012 07:56 PM

Re: trike build
 
thanks lads for all the info ,im thinking of a vmax,shadow 1100,1200 sportster something along the lines of that,thanks again

motivlack 19th March 2012 08:21 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=menapia dude;2652691]thanks lads for all the info ,im thinking of a vmax,shadow 1100,1200 sportster something along the lines of that,thanks again[/quote]

Well Brian. I'm sure you know the brothers trike? He recently put an Intruder 1600 engine in it( originally FJ 1100)...Not too sure who built the frame but he got it as an 'unfinished'. Ger Conlon fitted the new motor. It would make a good template imo for a new build?(sorry for the cages, only side on pic I have of this).
[URL=http://pix.ie/motivlack/2783548][IMG]http://photos4.pix.ie/A7/A4/A7A4C7F421414BF4B9A7EE237C9E38B0-0000343788-0002783548-00640L-CE894D4C3C6A4E76BD79818104FD72E1.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

menapia dude 19th March 2012 08:23 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=motivlack;2652730]Well Brian. I'm sure you know the brothers trike? He recently put an Intruder 1600 engine in it( originally FJ 1100)...Not too sure who built the frame but he got it as an 'unfinished'. Ger Conlon fitted the new motor. It would make a good template imo for a new build?(sorry for the cages, only side on pic I have of this).
[URL=http://pix.ie/motivlack/2783548][URL=http://photos4.pix.ie/A7/A4/A7A4C7F421414BF4B9A7EE237C9E38B0-0000343788-0002783548-00640L-CE894D4C3C6A4E76BD79818104FD72E1.jpg]image[/URL][/URL][/quote]

Well Sean thats great looking trike and the perfect engine for me aswell, i must get a good look at it ,love to see the st up of the shocks and drive set up thanks again mate

motivlack 19th March 2012 08:30 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=menapia dude;2652737]Well Sean thats great looking trike and the perfect engine for me aswell, i must get a good look at it ,love to see the st up of the shocks and drive set up thanks again mate[/quote]

No bother lad:thumbsup2:..Oh and you'll be needin paint for that too:tongue_old:

menapia dude 19th March 2012 08:39 PM

Re: trike build
 
:thumbsup2::thumbsup2:[quote=motivlack;2652749]No bother lad:thumbsup2:..Oh and you'll be needin paint for that too:tongue_old:[/quote]

hahahha and u no i wont be passing u on it either ya fecker ,:tongue_old:,i like the look of that trike but i want mine more naked and with just one seat like an exile trike or sumtin along that line,and only 2 colours by the way black n white

debreeze 19th March 2012 09:27 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=Gixxer;2650167]Yeah, a limited slip diff would be fun :D

A 12V starter motor connected to the prop shaft or the diff via a sprag clutch would do for reversing.[/quote]

could you expand on this with more info and pictures etc have you done this ?

the landshark 19th March 2012 10:08 PM

Re: trike build
 
i did it on a mates z trike, bolted a gear onto the diff drive flange and used a cage starter motor to spin it

Gixxer 19th March 2012 10:21 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=debreeze;2652844]could you expand on this with more info and pictures etc have you done this ?[/quote]

I haven't done it on a trike, but I've done similar with other jobs.

Something like this coupled to the prop shaft and driven from a starter motor.

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aprilia-RSVR-RSV-mille-Tuono-Engine-starter-gear-sprag-clutch-full-assembly-/370593871132?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item56491db51c[/url]

Obviously not that one, but you get the idea?

menapia dude 21st March 2012 03:03 PM

Re: trike build
 
wel folks ,got the design done and working on the parts,

i have few more questions for ye again,

i want to put a 240 frontend but the price of the wheel is alot ,so prob go for a 200 harley wheel or as some of u kind fellas say a tractor wheel, whats the pros and cons of a wider front end for handling and a tyre suiting it ?

i will fit 300mm rubber to the back i hear that any wider and its dangerous in the wet ?

was goin to use 2 r1 monos for comfort and handling ?

and i was going to rake the front end a little more than standard again pros and cons if u can.

as towards the drive of the bike it will be 1.6 mtrs wide at the back and hopefully on 19" rims which is better for reliability chain or shaft and can the shaft be offset with a knuckle joint,

thats it so far lads the frame frontend all sheetmetal all no probs so far

motivlack 21st March 2012 03:16 PM

Re: trike build
 
Any pics:thumbsup2:I know the brother had to take in the rake on his because the headstock started to crack. Just a thought.

menapia dude 21st March 2012 03:26 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=motivlack;2654774]Any pics:thumbsup2:I know the brother had to take in the rake on his because the headstock started to crack. Just a thought.[/quote]

yes bro i was thinking bout the pressure on the headstock if i raked it out,as for pics i have to delete some first here b4 im allowed to put them on ,and me and computers are not best matched,might just email them to u instead haha,im goin to make the tank and mudguards myself Sean so shud be fun,trying to keep chrome to a minimum, blasack n white the whole way thru and plenty of powder coating to keep ur price down lol

Gixxer 21st March 2012 03:27 PM

Re: trike build
 
A wider front wheel won't make much, if any difference. It's the tyre that's gonna be carrying the weight. You'll probably want a tyre for a tourer or sports tourer to carry the extra weight.

You don't need 300mm on the rear... it's not an F1 cage, and it'll look like one of those German air cooled excuses for a trike if you do fit 300mm tyres.

2 X R1 monos... I don't know what weight the springs are on them, but you'll need to know this to work out where the mounting points need to be in relation to the pivot points, and calculate if you have enough travel.

If you rake the front end more, you're gonna need longer stanchions.

Are you going to be using a solid axle or an independent double wishbone setup? (the diff is already offset a little in a solid axle) Either way... draw a scale sketch of the trike with the engine in place and measure the angle from the output shaft to your diff. The degree of angle will dictate whether you can use a universal joint or if it will have to be a constant velocity joint.

menapia dude 21st March 2012 03:40 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=Gixxer;2654789]A wider front wheel won't make much, if any difference. It's the tyre that's gonna be carrying the weight. You'll probably want a tyre for a tourer or sports tourer to carry the extra weight.

You don't need 300mm on the rear... it's not an F1 cage, and it'll look like one of those German air cooled excuses for a trike if you do fit 300mm tyres.

2 X R1 monos... I don't know what weight the springs are on them, but you'll need to know this to work out where the mounting points need to be in relation to the pivot points, and calculate if you have enough travel.

If you rake the front end more, you're gonna need longer stanchions.

Are you going to be using a solid axle or an independent double wishbone setup? (the diff is already offset a little in a solid axle) Either way... draw a scale sketch of the trike with the engine in place and measure the angle from the output shaft to your diff. The degree of angle will dictate whether you can use a universal joint or if it will have to be a constant velocity joint.[/quote]

thanks Gixxer for the help here,so im sorted with the front end i go with a 200 section and not rake it too much,

i was using the 2 r1 shocks as a guide imy mate has a vmax trike that ger conlon built and was goin to use a similar backend ,his is a great handling trike sitting 64" wide at the back,
the reason i was using 300 section wheels at the back was purly for looks,i dont like the thin wheels that lads usually use on them,

as towards the rear end i use a double wishbone setup,as regards thedriveshaft setup it will depend on the motor i use,i have 2 at home at the moment i have an xs 650 chain drive and i have a seca 750 shaft,but i was looking for bit more power i think maybe a vmax or a intruder i prefer a v twin or v 4 thanks again

the landshark 21st March 2012 05:00 PM

Re: trike build
 
Check the rotation of the propshaft matches the diff, i know of a lad who spent ages welding up a hardtail xs1100 trike,
looked the job alright but he had 5 reverse gears,
had to take off the axle and flip it over:lbhbh::lbhbh::lbhbh:,
never looked right after

Fledermaus 21st March 2012 05:06 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=jim'll break it;2654870]Check the rotation of the propshaft matches the diff, i know of a lad who spent ages welding up a hardtail xs1100 trike,
looked the job alright but he had 5 reverse gears,
had to take off the axle and flip it over:lbhbh::lbhbh::lbhbh:,
never looked right after[/quote]

:lbhbh:
One question-did he ever manage to get it into reverse 5th!
:biggrin_old:

the landshark 21st March 2012 05:10 PM

Re: trike build
 
yes, with the wheels smokin like fuck:cool3:, pity id no camera but it was back when a phone had the same size battery as a goldwing

HIGHSIDER 21st March 2012 05:16 PM

Re: trike build
 
Great thread..:thumbsup2:

Would love a crack at a build someday..

[URL=http://pix.ie/highsider/2786841][IMG]http://photos5.pix.ie/CC/F0/CCF042040259404EB5A5F0764D9DF852-0000348485-0002786841-00500L-DD9ACA2CE7C7463EB97615C93E5CBE68.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://pix.ie/highsider/2786840][IMG]http://photos5.pix.ie/6F/3C/6F3C5838428744C6AEB570DB76DEF110-0000348485-0002786840-00500L-47C63B2BE9CF4EC382B358068292DCD0.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

the landshark 21st March 2012 05:29 PM

Re: trike build
 
Heres a right yoke to run one with

[IMG]http://www.kitmondo.com/images/listing/dfeacd8b-1f00-4256-9062-e1d0b80696f0.jpg[/IMG]

Its a little over the learner power limit (30MW) but im sure it could be restricted :thumbsup2:

menapia dude 21st March 2012 08:21 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=HIGHSIDER;2654881]Great thread..:thumbsup2:

Would love a crack at a build someday..

[URL=http://pix.ie/highsider/2786841][URL=http://photos5.pix.ie/CC/F0/CCF042040259404EB5A5F0764D9DF852-0000348485-0002786841-00500L-DD9ACA2CE7C7463EB97615C93E5CBE68.jpg]image[/URL][/URL]
[URL=http://pix.ie/highsider/2786840][URL=http://photos5.pix.ie/6F/3C/6F3C5838428744C6AEB570DB76DEF110-0000348485-0002786840-00500L-47C63B2BE9CF4EC382B358068292DCD0.jpg]image[/URL][/URL][/quote]

well bro, thats sweet out id love to see the back of it tho it looks great

Gixxer 21st March 2012 08:34 PM

Re: trike build
 
Something you should take into account... The wider your rear tyres are, the more scrub you're going to have and the worse your turning circle and track will be.

I wouldn't use anything more than a 205 on the rear, and even that would be the maximum I'd consider.

menapia dude 21st March 2012 08:48 PM

Re: trike build
 
[quote=Gixxer;2655109]Something you should take into account... The wider your rear tyres are, the more scrub you're going to have and the worse your turning circle and track will be.

I wouldn't use anything more than a 205 on the rear, and even that would be the maximum I'd consider.[/quote]

i agree with u 100% mate,but i have 2 friends in our club with trikes ,one has a ger conlon built vmax with 285 on back and 180 on front its 64" wide with near standard rake and he rides it hard and handles fantastic,the other is a 2002 zx12 with a bolt on kit and 350 tyres on the back she goes great in the dry but very bad in wet she wont cut the water just aquaplanes thru it,i have rode both and the vmax is better set up and on the back roads will eat a bike up,its a tuff one to call maybe i stick to 255 or 275 try have the best of both worlds ?

menapia dude 21st March 2012 08:49 PM

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gixxer wat size and width u think this pic highcider has up ?,it looks great

menapia dude 21st March 2012 08:52 PM

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[IMG]http://www.flickr.com/photos/amdworldchamps/4589133334/[/IMG]

menapia dude 21st March 2012 08:52 PM

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[quote=menapia dude;2655144][URL=http://www.flickr.com/photos/amdworldchamps/4589133334/]image[/URL][/quote]

hope sumone can sort this pic for me ? thanks


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