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ROB95 31st October 2018 04:21 PM

regaining corner confidence
 
a week or so ago I lost traction on the front for a split-second mid-corner, gave me a bit of a fright. Ever since I have no confidence in cornering eg. 80km road corner mild easily a 60km (well for me on a bros 400 :lbhbh:) I taking it at 30 or below bolt upright, which is nearly more dangerous as then iv a car up my hole then.

I ride the bike daily and have done so for nearly 2 years. had a few scares but none held me up like this.

any of the more experienced fellas have any tips to get the confidence back?
I don't what the knee down, just to keep in the flow of traffic.

manbearpig 31st October 2018 04:30 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
Get some lessons . . .

Go out on the bike . . . tackle the same number of corners and gradually build your speed . . .

Head out with another biker and follow their lines. . .

RTV 31st October 2018 04:43 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
Don't force it, it'll come back. Just go for a spin when you can, relax and build your confidence back up.

From my point of view, take it from a relaxed enjoyable point of view, you're not going for lap times here so no need to push it, specially if you're not feeling it. That's the worse combination ever, you'll clinch up mid corner, look at the gravel and aim for it (target fixation).

Just relax and enjoy the ride, you'll get back to it.

sharpbikes 31st October 2018 04:48 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
i second the getting lessons approach, you can never have too many lessons on a bike, were always learning. if your really petrified ive found one thing to do is check the bike over and make sure everything is in good order.......... if you doubt anything on the bike replace it. you have to be able to trust the bike and yourself.

ROB95 31st October 2018 04:49 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
[quote=RTV;3556250]Don't force it, it'll come back. Just go for a spin when you can, relax and build your confidence back up.

From my point of view, take it from a relaxed enjoyable point of view, you're not going for lap times here so no need to push it, specially if you're not feeling it. That's the worse combination ever, you'll clinch up mid corner, look at the gravel and aim for it (target fixation).

Just relax and enjoy the ride, you'll get back to it.[/quote]

yeah, that's another thing I forgot to mention... target fixation.

I'm not looking through the corners, I'm looking right in front of me (two or three feet ahead)

ROB95 31st October 2018 04:50 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
[quote=sharpbikes;3556252]i second the getting lessons approach, you can never have too many lessons on a bike, were always learning. if your really petrified ive found one thing to do is check the bike over and make sure everything is in good order.......... if you doubt anything on the bike replace it. you have to be able to trust the bike and yourself.[/quote]

yeah that's the first thing i thought it was the bike but everything checks out.

its myself :wassat:

Bruce 31st October 2018 05:07 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
[quote=ROB95;3556253]yeah, that's another thing I forgot to mention... target fixation.

I'm not looking through the corners, I'm looking right in front of me (two or three feet ahead)[/quote]

Definitely go the training route but also book yourself in for the next track training day in Mondello - should one in March...

Looking where you want to go is a big part of the course...

ehonda 31st October 2018 05:41 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
What are your tyres like in terms of age? What is your suspension like?

A lot of times someone has thread on the tyre but the tyre is very old. Likewise a bros with decent suspension is a rare thing.

These wont make you magically better but its another thing that can affect confidence. My bros is probably the bike im most confident on because ive ok rubber and suspension (and its dog slow :lbhbh:)

Likewise ive an rvf and a vfr, the biggest difference is that the latter has new tyres and the former has knackered suspension and 8 year old tyres. Im dog slow on the rvf but have some confidence in the corners with the vfr despite them being very similar on the face of it

ridelikeaturtle 31st October 2018 06:08 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
[quote=ehonda;3556264]What are your tyres like in terms of age? What is your suspension like?
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[/quote]
I second this. Check the tyres for age, there should be a 4-digit date code stamped into the sidewall that tells the week and year.

Which reminds me, the tyres on my bikes are old enough to be enrolled in school, so I should start saving up for new hoops next Spring. :thumbsup2:

kwackquack 31st October 2018 06:12 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
Get used to it and have fun with it, it's irish roads and weather after all

-alan- 31st October 2018 07:34 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
Check the age of the tyres as the lads say. Could be tyres alright, or even diesel on the road. You saved it though - so you're doing something right :)

Nothing wrong with riding easy in slippy conditions. Don't ride any harder than you're comfortable with. The more seat time you get tho - wet or dry, the more your confidence will come back, and by the time you some properly decent dry roads ye'll be flying again :thumbsup2:

efanton 31st October 2018 08:23 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
[quote=ROB95;3556247]a week or so ago I lost traction on the front for a split-second mid-corner, gave me a bit of a fright. Ever since I have no confidence in cornering eg. 80km road corner mild easily a 60km (well for me on a bros 400 :lbhbh:) I taking it at 30 or below bolt upright, which is nearly more dangerous as then iv a car up my hole then.

I ride the bike daily and have done so for nearly 2 years. had a few scares but none held me up like this.

any of the more experienced fellas have any tips to get the confidence back?
I don't what the knee down, just to keep in the flow of traffic.[/quote]


As has been said already, its never a bad idea to seek professional help. If you can afford it seek the help of a recommended instructor, if you think you might not be able to afford it then you probably can. Money on decent training is never wasted.


Had a similar experience when I first started out on bikes Over shot a turn at about 110KMH (65mph) and it scared the be-jesus out of me. Thankfully there was a hard shoulder and soft verge so all that was damaged was my pride. I was fortunate enough to have a friend who was qualified to teach. We went out for an afternoon with him following and below is the advice I was given

DONT SLOW DOWN to the degree you are doing, slow down a bit, but if you are taking corners bolt upright as you have suggested this is probably as dangerous as going round a corner way too fast.

DONT LOOK AT THE HANDLE BARS OR THE ROAD DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU while making a turn. I know that sounds mad, but your eyes need to be looking at the exit of the turn or as far down the road as you can see. By slowing to the extent you are now, the temptation will be to try steer the bike around the bend, and trust me no matter how much you slow it down the bike will drift wide if you try to steer. If your eyes are on the exit, as if by magic with no conscious thought the bike will turn itself. I know that sounds mad too, but it really is the case.
Going too slow will only encourage you to interfere with the steering.

Best bit of advice I was given was go to a stretch of road that you know really well, has a number of bends, and is wide enough so that if you make a minor mistake you have time to correct. Then go up and down it for a few hours. start slow if you want, but build up your speed slowly and gradually til you are taking those turn at the speeds you know you have done before. Dont rush it, take your time to build up and take as many runs as you need. If you are getting stressed, or get a little scare, pull over, have a smoke or take a break. Watch your position(are you too near the centre line going into a bend or to near the verge) wrong position is the difference between being able to correct a mistake or parking the bike in the ditch.

If you have done the above for an afternoon and still feel unsure then definitely get the help of an instructor.

Phatty McFatt 31st October 2018 09:50 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
Hey Rob, in the last 48 hrs i have gone through something similar and managed to move over. Here's how it went, it's less impressive or spectacular than i imagined it but..

So, just days ago got a sv650s and i started using it for my daily commute straight away. NOt easy, after a year and a half of doing so on cruisers, [B][U]smaller[/U][/B] cruisers. To make things exciting, i have 11 fecking roundabouts on the way to work and the same 11 coming back. Not a good way to get started on this bike. I was going slow enough and almost upright in one of them, the rain just started and i hit a patch of either diesel or oil, felt the rear going full muppet. Shattered my confidence and it felt i was crawling back home after it. Got a good few drivers mad behind me at every turn and roundabout. Scared of leaning, really. Scared of losing grip and control.

The solution came to me by accident. I usually let youtube do whatever it wants while i talk to the mrs. It randomly reached a few vids where lads talked about cornering and going through twisties with less lean and more "hanging" off the bike. Body positioning. So I tried it just for the craic on the way to work today and it worked like a charm. Much better progress with less effort and stress. Don't know if it makes sense, but i changed the position of my body instead of changing the position or angle of the bike. Now the more experience lads would say that i was probably still slow, but i was much faster than all the cages around me. Sorry if it sounds silly, but it made me happy tonight coming home and i truelly enjoyed my bike for the first time.

-alan- 31st October 2018 10:03 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
^ Funny, off-road or on slippy stuff, I'd prefer to stay upright and lean the bike in more, like the 'crossers do. Always feels to me like you have more control, and are better positioned to let your instincts take over if something steps out or breaks away.

It's down to whatever works for you I guess. Important thing is to get back out and try something different, see if there's anything that helps.

oroura25 31st October 2018 11:08 PM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
I'd buy a KTM!

Blueb6 1st November 2018 12:06 AM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
Check your tyre pressure, fork seals and headset bearings as well

bandit_eile 1st November 2018 12:38 AM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
I had a moment like that back in January and totally lost my confidence for a few weeks. Good news is that I passed the test in May.

I guess there are a few ways to approach it

Lessons - you can pay for them, and that's good. Or you could join R O S P A - but that only suits people who are committed to (1) actually getting better by being self critical (2) driving to speed limits and (3) paying it forward - it is all voluntary. So it is free in a sense but ultimately and rightly they'll ask for your time and talents. I joined and it has been very useful so far.

For me, I was going around bends in way too high a gear. It took quite a bit for me to realise that the sort of high revs that would kill a cage enginne is exactly what you need to be stable going around a corner. I was taking corners at 2.5k revs on the bandit - once I started taking them at 4-5k, it was so much more reliable and I'd so much more control.

There are loads of other individual tips - I guess we each just need to find the one that works for us at a moment in time.

ROB95 1st November 2018 12:55 AM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
thanks very much for the comments lads,

I'm going to go out and ride about a bit like suggesting, but outside my commute and more the pleasure of it. that could be half of it.... 99% of time I'm commuting with a destination/ time in mind.

hondablade 1st November 2018 09:11 AM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl9mfnpJ1wo[/url]

Theres a good video has helped me and find myself repeating things he has said in the video when im driving, braking before hand and look if the bends open or close and different road gradients and weather conditions. Try not to brake mid bend etc.

scorpy 1st November 2018 10:58 AM

Re: regaining corner confidence
 
As previously mentioned, find a quiet stretch you know well and ride through it a few times, but in addition, try to practice riding it without using the brakes at all or as little as possible in the entry, use the gears to slow it down and keep the corner speed smooth and constant. At this time of year, stay warm or you will start to tense up. Practice scanning the corner entry early visually and then shift your view to the vanishing point. If you still feel nervous, go get a couple of lessons from a reputable instructor.


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